Brenda to say ''what another one'' ... petition for a GE

[monkers]

I see the Tories are very pleased to see a new petition for a general election growing rapidly - it's currently just over 2 million.

The Tories had better be careful what they wish for in my opinion. Badenoch is currently showing less favourably that Liz Truss even. The Tories themselves are showing as the least favourable party.

Can we really hope for an implosion or dominance of the bit two and the end of FPTP?

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50925-how-does-kemi-badenoch-compare-to-other-party-leaders

 

[spen666]

A new election is not going to happen - those signing the petition expecting that are as anti democracy as those who refuse to accept the Brexit vote and I have no time for either group.


However, on a purely hypothetical basis if there were to be an election held now, How do you thing the breakdown of seats across the parties would be?

 

[Psamathe]

Whilst I agree that a GE is not going to happen, the "New Starmer Party" isn't doing too well. For all their rhetoric about "Those With Broadest Shoulders" they are widely seen as having gone for raising money from struggling vulnerable pensioners (removing Winter Fuel Allowance) and indirectly workers as everybody recognises that raising employer NI will quickly mean lower pay rises, lower recruitment and price increases/inflation. But at least their policy for allowing uncapped banker bonuses will ensure than those few wealthy receiving such vast sums wont be liable for any (let alone increased) NI payments on that bonus income.

Ian

 

[monkers]

A new election is not going to happen - those signing the petition expecting that are as anti democracy as those who refuse to accept the Brexit vote and I have no time for either group.


However, on a purely hypothetical basis if there were to be an election held now, How do you thing the breakdown of seats across the parties would be?

Favourability surveys show that many people don't vote for the party they favour, they vote to keep out the party they most fear (stupid FTPT two horse race system).

If hypothetically there was to be a general election this coming Thursday, then I'd guess that Labour would still win, but by a reduced majority. I'd guess that the Tories would lose more seats to Reform. I'd guess that the Greens might do well enough to gain another two seats, and that the Lem Sips might gain another five. These are just gut feelings not claims, so please don't ask me to support these feels.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I think the organisers have said they don't expect to trigger a general election. It's more an opportunity to tell Starmer how cheesed off people are with him.

 

[monkers]

I think the organisers have said they don't expect to trigger a general election. It's more an opportunity to tell Starmer how cheesed off people are with him.

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It's also covered under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Again one might hope that he'd know. But forgive me for saying, that these really are rabbit holes compared with the main issues.

 

[matticus]

I think the organisers have said they don't expect to trigger a general election. It's more an opportunity to tell Starmer how cheesed off people are with him.

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Yeah. You tell him!

Oh and BTW rape is already a criminal offence, so I guess we don't need to put any resources into stopping THAT either ... This approach could save a lot of money, I like it!

 

[Psamathe]

I think the organisers have said they don't expect to trigger a general election. It's more an opportunity to tell Starmer how cheesed off people are with him.

Starmer doesn't listen to electorate. Only way to influence him (and his Party) is through highly paid corporate lobbyists (and then only if business profits are involved).

Good news is that in bit less than 5 years he'll be back talking at the electorate telling us all what's important to us (irrespective as to what is actuially important to us).

Ian

 

[spen666]

Favourability surveys show that many people don't vote for the party they favour, they vote to keep out the party they most fear (stupid FTPT two horse race system).

If hypothetically there was to be a general election this coming Thursday, then I'd guess that Labour would still win, but by a reduced majority. I'd guess that the Tories would lose more seats to Reform. I'd guess that the Greens might do well enough to gain another two seats, and that the Lem Sips might gain another five. These are just gut feelings not claims, so please don't ask me to support these feels.

Interesting
I too think Labour would be most likely to be the biggest party- not sure whether they would have a majority or not.
i unlike you would expect the Tories to do better and claw back a little from Reform, and more from the middle of the road voters who swung labour last time. I'm not sure Greens or Lib Dems would do better than they did in July.

What happened in Scotland with the SNP would be interesting. Could they start to regain some of seats they lost, or will Labour trounce them again

 

[spen666]

Starmer doesn't listen to electorate. Only way to influence him (and his Party) is through highly paid corporate lobbyists (and then only if business profits are involved).

Good news is that in bit less than 5 years he'll be back talking at the electorate telling us all what's important to us (irrespective as to what is actuially important to us).

Ian

Same as most other politicians of any political colour

 

[monkers]

Interesting
I too think Labour would be most likely to be the biggest party- not sure whether they would have a majority or not.
i unlike you would expect the Tories to do better and claw back a little from Reform, and more from the middle of the road voters who swung labour last time. I'm not sure Greens or Lib Dems would do better than they did in July.

What happened in Scotland with the SNP would be interesting. Could they start to regain some of seats they lost, or will Labour trounce them again

We need to keep reminding ourselves perhaps that this is all hypothetical, therefore pie-in-the-sky thinking as such, but in terms of favourability, a Lem Sip / Green alliance of some kind would be unassailable by other parties. And getting back to my original question / point, both of these parties would favour some form of PR for future elections.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Yeah. You tell him!

Oh and BTW rape is already a criminal offence, so I guess we don't need to put any resources into stopping THAT either ... This approach could save a lot of money, I like it!

It's the him Tweeting like it's not already an offence that's the point. Nobody is complaining about extra resources for sexual offences - though that Tweet said nothing about that anyway.

 

[Psamathe]

Same as most other politicians of any political colour

Last GE in my constituency was interesting ... Safe Conservative seat, never anything else, no other party came close. But new boundaries and the Green's have been "working the area" for ages. Being really active campaigning on local issues, every couple of months we'd get a sheet through the letter box detailing what they've been doing, achieving, all local/regional issues and how to contact them. Wasn't just election build-up but far longer term starting several years ago. And then they got councillor in and at the GE, despite all the prediction sites, despite the strategic voting advice sites Green got elected and we now have a Green MP overturn a Conservative majority of 22,027 in a "safe" Conservative seat.

I didn't vote 'cos just as elevction was announced I was heading off cycle touring. Tried to get a party member of my chosen party to proxy my vote but that party didn't suggest anybody - and I only had a short time and too early for a postal vote.

Ian

 

[monkers]

It's the him Tweeting like it's not already an offence that's the point. Nobody is complaining about extra resources for sexual offences - though that Tweet said nothing about that anyway.

Please please note. This thread is not yet another vehicle for you to further your hobby horses.

Instead it is a knock-about hypothetical scenario, an opportunity for posters to predict the direction of travel particularly with an eye being glanced in the direction of getting rid of FPTP.

So please do post away Aurora, but let's try to keep away from just being more Starmer bashing, trans bashing, all men are predators etc. If you aren't happy please do just start your own thread.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It's literally you who are dragging other threads, and your personal animosity, into this one with your post. None of those issues were even implied in my post. It was a straightforward reply about Labour claiming new legislation for something that is already a crime.