AuroraSaab
Epic Member
I'm glad it failed. Every sensible amendment was voted down by the committee. Hopefully they'll go away and take the concerns seriously and come back in a couple of years with a workable bill.
Burnham
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First Aspect
Squire
Other opinions are available.
I'm most annoyed by the MPs who couldn't be arsed to attend. At lead have the conviction to decide to ignore majority views of your constituents.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
There is something grimly funny about Burnham (apparently) withdrawing his support for a donations cap at the behest of the unions who were afraid they'd lose their monetary leverage over Labour, then being Top Trumped by a crypto billionaire (potentially) giving Reform £36mn. Serves him/them right, to be honest, given it was as plain as day that the far right would outspend the unions by several factors.
secretsqirrel
spiteful class warrior
It must be still on the table because Delo has bunged it in one lump instead of monthly instalments.
Pblakeney
Shaman
That's strange. The report I read had it at £1mn/month for 36 months. 🤔
Psamathe
Squire
Also I find it has highlighted how many MPs are basing their votes on their personal views rather than representing their electorate. Our system is "representative" not delegating decisions (despite what Burke might think). My impression from reports and speaches I've seen is too many MPs were talking about their vote based on their personal views.
Psamathe
Squire
Being reported his original intent £1m a months until next election but doing it now as a lump sum in case rules are changed and the revised rules stop him.
secretsqirrel
spiteful class warrior
That was his original intention.
I was intrigued by this bit……
"My conclusion from Reform's recent troubles is that they should spend less time trying to raise funds to compete on equal terms and more time preparing for government."
In other words, they can’t be trusted dodgy dealings..
bobzmyunkle
Guru
How many amendments were tabled? How many of those were 'sensible'?
What will it take for you to find the bill acceptable?
Psamathe
Squire
Reported when it previously went to HoL that one amendment tabled was requiring the individual seeking end-of-life help would also need to get their financial circumstances independently reviewed (as well as the financial circumstances of their close family). And HoL claim they were not filibustering.
Whilst the amendment was phrased to detect financial abuse except reality is default inheritance would be passing estate to immediate family anyway and there was no proposed way for that "financial review" to be assessed by any specialist able to detect financial abuse.
Psamathe
Squire
The difficulty comes is what is and is not a "sensible amendment" is a matter of opinion. Maybe to some very committed religious MPs requiring a 12 month review (on a bill requiring life expectancy of 6 months) would be considered a "sensible amendment" (ie to destroy the bill).
To make it harder I suspect most of the general public expressing views on "safeguards" have no experience of real world coercive behaviour, what can happen, how it can be hidden or detected, etc. I certainly have no such appreciation. Thus it's very possible that some "sensible amendments" would not be effective eg as those doing the coercing could easily bypass them ie well intended, appear to those of us not understanding such issues as sensible but reality in practice just ineffective.
Pblakeney
Shaman
...coming from a convicted felon makes this unsurprising.
First Aspect
Squire
Mandatory pregnancy tests: Requiring all applicants to take a pregnancy test—including men.
Travel bans: Imposing a strict one-year holiday ban on anyone applying for an assisted death.
It is a democratic disgrace, what has happened. The loud minority won, because they played on cowardice. Our MPs are weak - in many cases wanting it to happen but not wanting to be responsible.
Pblakeney
Shaman
This.
Psamathe
Squire
Whilst continually appearing on our TVs telling us how they are making "the difficult decisions".
