Burnham

[Ian H]

Why do you hate are wealth creators?

Hate 'em? I was one in a small way, with 16 employees. Never quite got to £2m turnover.

 

[C R]

Hate 'em? I was one in a small way, with 16 employees. Never quite got to £2m turnover.

Should have said "wealth creators". I'm sure you know what I mean.

 

[Psamathe]

Without regulation, businesses will tend to create wealth for a few by exploiting their workers.
Spending by the state is partly to ensure that all of society benefits from the economy.
Extreme inequality is a failure of government and tends to lead to political unrest.

some seem to continually regard "Regulation" as no more than hindrance for business but reality is regulations are there to protect us from the damage from the drive for profit at any cost.

eg new planning rules are set to trash the Norfolk Broads

A new levy on developers to allow almost 16,000 homes to be built in the environmentally protected Norfolk Broads has been cut by tens of thousands of pounds per house
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The fenlands, marshes, bogs and mires of the Broads are a biodiversity hotspot, home to more than a quarter of the rarest wildlife in the UK such as the otter, cuckoo and fen orchid.
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The Norfolk Broads EDP is the first since the Planning and Infrastructure Act came into force. Others will be rolled out to allow development alongside and within some of the UK’s most protected sites.
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The Broads are already so polluted by nitrogen and phosphorus from sewage, agriculture and run off that they are on the red list of concern and severely depleted.
(from https://www.theguardian.com/environ...house-developers-too-low-offset-nature-damage)

Business gets the profits the new lack of regulation allows whilst the public lose the unique environment of the Norfolk Broads ie lost protection enabled by reduced regulation.

 

[Psamathe]

I'm still waiting for Labour to honour their promise

Labour vows to introduce Scottish-style right to roam law in England​

Party promises to enshrine in law equal access to benefits of green spaces if it wins next election

The Labour party has pledged to introduce a Scottish-style right to roam law in England if it wins the next general election, with access to green space enshrined in law.

 

[C R]

FFS, WTFF is someone like Mahmood doing in a labour government?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/31/care-worker-barred-meeting-home-secretary

TL;DR the home office considered it inappropriate for a Nigerian care worker to be present in a meeting between Mahmood and representatives of UNISON. The care worker had been chosen as a representative by fellow care workers.

ETA, UNISON withdrew from the meeting in support of their colleague.

 

[Psamathe]

FFS, WTFF is someone like Mahmood doing in a labour government?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/31/care-worker-barred-meeting-home-secretary

TL;DR the home office considered it inappropriate for a Nigerian care worker to be present in a meeting between Mahmood and representatives of UNISON. The care worker had been chosen as a representative by fellow care workers.

I agree but also I often look wider. Given Mahmood's well-established reputation and policies, who appointed her to her current role (or rather re-appointed/continued her appointment).

 

[C R]

I agree but also I often look wider. Given Mahmood's well-established reputation and policies, who appointed her to her current role (or rather re-appointed/continued her appointment).

Indeed.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Could it be more evidence that Burnham isn't the Messiah?

Meanwhile
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...stine-action-ban-outside-us-embassy-in-london

The new government has come under pressure to rescind the ban, though Shabana Mahmood, who has stood firm in favour of the group’s proscription, remained in post as home secretary.

 

[Stevo 666]

Why do you hate are wealth creators?

It's a socialist thing I think. Ironically they're needed to pay for the free stuff that lefties expect to receive.

 

[Stevo 666]

Without regulation, businesses will tend to create wealth for a few by exploiting their workers.
Spending by the state is partly to ensure that all of society benefits from the economy.
Extreme inequality is a failure of government and tends to lead to political unrest.

It's not a case regulation or not, its a question of degree. Too much regulation hits growth which in turn impact the tax revenues that people like yourself want to get your hands on.

Employees can negotiate pay based on their skills etc and how in demand they are. If they don't have much skill or aren't in demand then why should employers chuck money at them? Sadly life can be unfair like that. Just fyi I'm a worker and I have negotiated a what I feel is good deal for myself so surely it can't be that hard for leftie intellectuals to do the same...

 

[Rusty Nails]

It's not a case regulation or not, its a question of degree.

Incisive statement there. Everything is a question of degree. If righties have their way there would be none.

Too much regulation hits growth which in turn impact the tax revenues that people like yourself want to get your hands on.

I'm not sure that Ian H wants to get his hands on tax revenues. I know I don't, I just want them to be used fairly and for the benefit of all especially the weakest in society.

Employees can negotiate pay based on their skills etc and how in demand they are. If they don't have much skill or aren't in demand then why should employers chuck money at them? Sadly life can be unfair like that. Just fyi I'm a worker and I have negotiated a what I feel is good deal for myself so surely it can't be that hard for leftie intellectuals to do the same...

So, presumably you approve of groups of workers who don't have the individual strength or necessary skills to negotiate their own pay, say nurses or refuse collectors or shop workers or factory workers or train drivers to organise into TUs to negotiate T&Cs, using what strengths they have, including strikes that inconvenience the general public. Life can be unfair like that, but it must be easy for rightie intellectuals to manage.

 

[Stevo 666]

Incisive statement there. Everything is a question of degree. If righties have their way there would be none.



I'm not sure that Ian H wants to get his hands on tax revenues. I know I don't, I just want them to be used fairly and for the benefit of all especially the weakest in society.



So, presumably you approve of groups of workers who don't have the individual strength or necessary skills to negotiate their own pay, say nurses or refuse collectors or shop workers or factory workers or train drivers to organise into TUs to negotiate T&Cs, using what strengths they have, including strikes that inconvenience the general public. Life can be unfair like that, but it must be easy for rightie intellectuals to manage.

If you read my post above I'm not saying there should be no regs, just less. Please quote any righties who say all regs should be abolished.

There's also the misconception that ll benefits go to the deserving poor (of course there are a fair few of the genuinely deserving). However there are also those who are a bit lazy, or who game the system, or who are trapped in the benefits system because it's sufficiently generous to make work mot really wothwhile.

We already have unions allowed by law so not sure what your point is on that one. We just need to make sure that they can't exert undue influence as a lot of hard left union leaders would like to do.

 

[C R]

We already have unions allowed by law so not sure what your point is on that one. We just need to make sure that they can't exert undue influence as a lot of hard left union leaders would like to do.

Only rich people should be allowed to exert undue influence.

 

[Stevo 666]

Only rich people should be allowed to exert undue influence.

If you say so. Define 'rich'.

 

[Stevo 666]

Hate 'em? I was one in a small way, with 16 employees. Never quite got to £2m turnover.

Out of interest did you exploit your employees when you had a small business?

And were you trying to make a profit?