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secretsqirrel

spiteful class warrior
This is the fierce analytical stuff that the BBC Political Editor really should be doing.

Hang on, no, this is worthy of Hello! Chris Mason back to form. He's just way out of his depth, even if you ignore his hots for Farage.

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Well he just breezed through 3 hours of it. While Farage having just been sworn in didn’t show up as far as I could see. Left Tice to go on about ‘net stupid zero’, and was told to get his facts right.
 
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Dorset Boy

Senior Member
10 year gilt rates at their highest since 2008, and 30 year gilt rates at their highest since 1998 is bad news for Burnham and Healey ahead of the budget.
Concerns around inflation due to Dementia Donnie's stupidity in the middle east, and the ongoing impacts of the Ukraine conflict are factors.
 

Beebo

Legendary Member
10 year gilt rates at their highest since 2008, and 30 year gilt rates at their highest since 1998 is bad news for Burnham and Healey ahead of the budget.
Concerns around inflation due to Dementia Donnie's stupidity in the middle east, and the ongoing impacts of the Ukraine conflict are factors.

If Healey can’t afford the Defence spending which he resigned over, he’s going to look mighty silly.
 

Psamathe

Legendary Member
I'm surprised at the lack of irate responses from the press to Burnham's suggesting that Thatcher's policies were wrong turns.
When I heard what Burnham said I immediately thought of Council House sell-off and back in those days all my time was spent focusing on business not politics.

And that Ms Badenoch can't see that starting the Council House sell-off has long term repercussions significantly contributing to today's housing crisis really highlights Ms Badenoch's shortcomings.

Undoubtedly many more factors stemming back to Thatcher (de-inductrialisation?).
 

Dorset Boy

Senior Member
The Council House sell off has been a huge benefit to increasing the wealth of the population, and the economy in general - all that money spent on home improvements that would not otherwise have been spent. Then there's the benefit of transferring the house value down the generations.
The fault has not been building more council / social housing to reflect the big increase in the population over the last 40+ years, not in the concept of selling off homes.
There would still be a housing shortage now if more council / social housing hadn't been built even if the sell of hadn't happened.
 
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briantrumpet

Timewaster
The Council House sell off has been a huge benefit to increasing the wealth of the population, and the economy in general - all that money spent on home improvements that would not otherwise have been spent. Then there's the benefit of transferring the house value down the generations.
The fault has not been building more council / social housing to reflect the big increase in the population over the last 40+ years, not in the concept of selling off homes.
There would still be a housing shortage now if more council / social housing hadn't been built even if the sell of hadn't happened.

Indeed – though IIRC there was a deliberate ban on using the capital from selling off council houses in order to replace them.
 
The Council House sell off has been a huge benefit to increasing the wealth of the population, and the economy in general - all that money spent on home improvements that would not otherwise have been spent. Then there's the benefit of transferring the house value down the generations.
Contentious.
The fault has not been building more council / social housing to reflect the big increase in the population over the last 40+ years, not in the concept of selling off homes.
There would still be a housing shortage now if more council / social housing hadn't been built even if the sell of hadn't happened.
Just plain silly. See above
 

Pross

Guru
Couldn’t decide how he did at PMQs. Aside from Badenoch he seemed keen to actually try to answer questions to the point of effectively being told not to take so long with his answers by the Speaker. Badenoch’s questions were worded in a way that generally made it impossible to give a direct answer but I thought he could have made more of his responses to her about the cost of servicing debt when that debt was predominantly racked up by the Government she was part of. Got in a few digs about the competency of the new Shadow Chancellor though.
 

Dorset Boy

Senior Member
Contentious.

Just plain silly. See above

Tell me, has the population of the UK increased, decreased or stayed the same since the 1980s?
Has the number of single parent families increased, decreased or stayed the same?
Add in fewer friends sharing / buying together.

These are the factors that have increased demands for housing in the UK.

Perhaps you are the silly one for not understanding that.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
PMQs is all about superficial show. Unless the country and the economy is doing exceptionally well, which it hasn't been for many years, it is much easier for the opposition to fire barbs, and much more difficult for PMs to come up with killer responses.

I feel that, unlike Starmer, Burnham has the wit to take the sting out of Badenoch's barbs, but expect that PMQs will continue to not be the place to get any substantial political information.
 
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briantrumpet

Timewaster
PMQs is all about superficial show. Unless the country and the economy is doing exceptionally well, which it hasn't been for many years, it is much easier for the opposition to fire barbs, and much more difficult for PMs to come up with killer responses.

I feel that, unlike Starmer, Burnham has the wit to take the sting out of Badenoch's barbs, but expect that PMQs will continue to not be the place to get any substantial political information.

Yeah, it's pretty pointless, and maybe counterproductive to meaningful debate, as it's mostly point scoring and creating quotable barbs. I would prefer it if it were less scripted and the leaders actually responded to each other rather than just sticking to their scripts. I get the feeling that neither the leaders' managers/scriptwriters nor the leaders themselves trust their wits to stay on exactly the message they've been told to convey.
 

Pross

Guru
PMQs is all about superficial show. Unless the country and the economy is doing exceptionally well, which it hasn't been for many years, it is much easier for the opposition to fire barbs, and much more difficult for PMs to come up with killer responses.

I feel that, unlike Starmer, Burnham has the wit to take the sting out of Badenoch's barbs, but expect that PMQs will continue to not be the place to get any substantial political information.

He’s already said he would rather take questions from the public. Ed Davey did a far better job, only two questions and he made them about actual issues not trying to score political points. Oh so clever Badenoch just used all hers asking the same thing in different ways on a subject where she wasn’t on firm ground herself (which will be an issue with most potential lines of attack considering the Tory government’s failings are still in most people’s consciousness and she wasn’t part of that Government).
 

Pblakeney

Shaman
10 year gilt rates at their highest since 2008, and 30 year gilt rates at their highest since 1998 is bad news for Burnham and Healey ahead of the budget.
Concerns around inflation due to Dementia Donnie's stupidity in the middle east, and the ongoing impacts of the Ukraine conflict are factors.

Add on the tech bros AI borrowing pushing up demand, and therefore cost to the UK government/taxpayers.
 
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briantrumpet

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Add on the tech bros AI borrowing pushing up demand, and therefore cost to the UK government/taxpayers.

Mad King Donald is trying to blame Ukraine for not rolling over, and everything would be fine if only they'd surrender.

Nothing to do with Hormuz and the US regressing to the 1950s while Trump slaps tariffs on everything.
 
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