Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[bobzmyunkle]

An oil drill that releases less greenhouse gas is better, so that should be factored in,

Possibly that makes sense to you.

generally decarbonising is about reducing demand unless we're getting to the point where prices collapse.

And does stopping new drilling stop this reduction from occurring?

 

[PurplePenguin]

Possibly that makes sense to you.

And does stopping new drilling stop this reduction from occurring?

See here

https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/letter-climate-compatibility-of-new-oil-and-gas-fields/

 

[bobzmyunkle]

See here

https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/letter-climate-compatibility-of-new-oil-and-gas-fields/

Are you saying that supports your argument?

 

[matticus]

[ https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/letter-climate-compatibility-of-new-oil-and-gas-fields/]


Are you saying that supports your argument?

It certainly seems to support the stated aims of JSO around 2022-early2025:

2. Key messages
<snip ...>

• The CCC would support a tighter limit on production, with stringent tests and a presumption against exploration. An end to UK exploration would send a clear signal to investors and consumers that the UK is committed to the 1.5°C global temperature goal. That would also help the UK in its diplomatic efforts to strengthen climate ambition internationally.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Apologies, I posted something balanced which explains the key discussion points (especially true if you read beyond the summary).

 

[matticus]

Apologies, I posted something without actually reading the bit you've now very helpfully highlighted. Perhaps I was wrong about JSO! Thank you.

You're welcome!

 

[PurplePenguin]

Is discussion on this thread always this hard?

 

[matticus]

Is discussion on this thread always this hard?

Only as hard as you want to make it! x

 

[Psamathe]

Re: Tragic Flooding In Texas
Almost certainly too early to identify failings in terms of forecasting, preparedness, etc. but either C4 News had an interesting interview with US climate activist Dr Sweta Chakraborty and she did not come across as having an agenda but she did highlight how one aspect is how local population had voted for local resources to be spent of border security rather than preparedness for natural disasters (given that the area is very prone to flash flooding). In effect locals had listened to their politicians and the massive push to border security and with limited resources you can't have everything.
Interview starts @4:32
ie US politicians telling the electorate that border security represents a danger, climate change isn't and they vote accordingly.

Ian

 

[CXRAndy]

Wrong again: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/yvette-cooper-extremism-uk-threat-b2783438.html

Re: Tragic Flooding In Texas
Almost certainly too early to identify failings in terms of forecasting, preparedness, etc. but either C4 News had an interesting interview with US climate activist Dr Sweta Chakraborty and she did not come across as having an agenda but she did highlight how one aspect is how local population had voted for local resources to be spent of border security rather than preparedness for natural disasters (given that the area is very prone to flash flooding). In effect locals had listened to their politicians and the massive push to border security and with limited resources you can't have everything.
Interview starts @4:32
ie US politicians telling the electorate that border security represents a danger, climate change isn't and they vote accordingly.

Ian

In places the rivers rose 30ft in less than 2 minutes

Rain many miles away can and did have catastrophic outcomes

 

[Psamathe]

In places the rivers rose 30ft in less than 2 minutes

That would be a world record. That's 1 ft every 4 seconds.

But maybe expecting any sort of accuracy from this source is expecting too much.

Ian

 

[PurplePenguin]

Zonal pricing is off which is good news. Now if some of those orange campaigners could turn up at Nimby planning meetings about new transmission routes, we might just stop oil.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ts-rema-summer-update-2025-accessible-webpage

However, in the short term, the transitional constraints in our current power system, which are due to the historic mismatch between transmission and generation build, need to be urgently addressed. The right solution to these transitional constraints is to accelerate the pace and scale of grid build-out, and to ensure the optimal siting of new generation through Reformed National Pricing. Rather than introducing zonal pricing which would create unnecessarily high instability and uncertainty around future prices and zonal boundaries, which would be passed onto consumers in the form of higher prices.

 

[CXRAndy]

That would be a world record. That's 1 ft every 4 seconds.

But maybe expecting any sort of accuracy from this source is expecting too much.

Ian

That's what flash flooding does, goes from nothing to a ranging torrent in seconds.

A bit like a tsunami, nothing then a huge tidal wave crashes against the coast.

Why do you think people, animals get caught out.

What a dipshìt

 

[Ian H]

That would be a world record. That's 1 ft every 4 seconds.

But maybe expecting any sort of accuracy from this source is expecting too much.

Ian

It was actually 28ft in around 45 minutes. Frightening enough.

 

[matticus]

Now if some of those orange campaigners could turn up at Nimby planning meetings about new transmission routes, we might just stop oil.

I'm sure they'd lend you some orange gear; I presume these meeting are open to non-JSO climate crisis experts too?