Coincidence?

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

The yard that made the boat have said that they are pretty much unsinkable

The White Star company also claimed their ship was ''unsinkable''...

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

The White Star company also claimed their ship was ''unsinkable''...

No ship is unsinkable - stick enough water in it and it will sink
The question is how it managed to get enough water into it

I have heard that the keel was raisable - having it down would greatly lower the centre of gravity and if any tilting force was applied then this would counter it
However, it also stops the boat moving sideways so if the waterspout grabbed the boat and rigging and moved it sideways then it would tilt more

but rumours are all over this - the mast was apparently snapped but the divers found it in one piece
so anything about the keel is best left until proper people actually study the facts and look at it fully

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

The White Star company also claimed their ship was ''unsinkable''...

The people who made the Titanic didn;t say that - just marketing

In this case it was the company that made it that seems to have said it was impossible to sink
I think they meant -"unless something untoward happened"

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

No ship is unsinkable - stick enough water in it and it will sink
The question is how it managed to get enough water into it

I have heard that the keel was raisable - having it down would greatly lower the centre of gravity and if any tilting force was applied then this would counter it
However, it also stops the boat moving sideways so if the waterspout grabbed the boat and rigging and moved it sideways then it would tilt more

but rumours are all over this - the mast was apparently snapped but the divers found it in one piece
so anything about the keel is best left until proper people actually study the facts and look at it fully

Yes, but as we have seen on the past with all kind of systems that are intended to make things safer when disaster strikes, they do not always work as intended. Meanwhile off course partly due to this incident there have been many reports off similar local storm events. at the same time those persons involved had enough enemies not to rule out bad intent completely where it could be as you say ''creating the ideal circumstances and using the storm as cover'' However as far as i understand these storms are not like ''it raining in London'' but more localised in a larger at risk area, so if your theory/the bad actors theory is true than that person must be either very close and watching and waiting for the right moment or one of the crew.

But last i read is they brought in manslaughter chargers so they potentially will recover the wreckage from the seabed and then there would be answers at some point.

The people who made the Titanic didn;t say that - just marketing

In this case it was the company that made it that seems to have said it was impossible to sink
I think they meant -"unless something untoward happened"

Yes it was partly Marketing but the designers at the time also believed the ship would be unsinkable the eventual sinking was partly caused by the fact there where no binoculars available. again party because this false sense of security.

 

[BoldonLad]

The people who made the Titanic didn;t say that - just marketing

In this case it was the company that made it that seems to have said it was impossible to sink
I think they meant -"unless something untoward happened"

Most “safety” or “security” system failures are down to human ingenuity and/or carelessness circumventing the system.

 

[BoldonLad]

Well you say that, but clearly some posters here are suspecting something. And although I'm sceptical, I am very slightly interested to know just what their suspicion is!

Personally, I don't have a specific "suspicion". Coincidences do happen, but, there was rather a lot of money involved, and, it is possible other people or organisations have been, or felt they have been, "turned over", either in this deal, or, others.

The latest BBC reporting does nothing to allay my vague unease https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l8kj1p0ylo , it would appear most of those onboard managed to escape (ie 15 of the 22 onboard) in a life raft, but, the "star players" didn't make it to the life raft.

We may, or, may not find out what happened, eventually.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Personally, I don't have a specific "suspicion". Coincidences do happen, but, there was rather a lot of money involved, and, it is possible other people or organisations have been, or felt they have been, "turned over", either in this deal, or, others.

The latest BBC reporting does nothing to allay my vague unease https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l8kj1p0ylo , it would appear most of those onboard managed to escape (ie 15 of the 22 onboard) in a life raft, but, the "star players" didn't make it to the life raft.

We may, or, may not find out what happened, eventually.

The likelihood is that the crew were on deck but the the Lynchs and their guests were in the sleeping quarters below. When the vessel was overwhelmed and sank in very short order they were trapped.

It seem as though Lynch's wife escaped by the skin of her teeth but was badly cut by broken glass in deck.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Personally, I don't have a specific "suspicion". Coincidences do happen, but, there was rather a lot of money involved, and, it is possible other people or organisations have been, or felt they have been, "turned over", either in this deal, or, others.

The latest BBC reporting does nothing to allay my vague unease https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l8kj1p0ylo , it would appear most of those onboard managed to escape (ie 15 of the 22 onboard) in a life raft, but, the "star players" didn't make it to the life raft.

We may, or, may not find out what happened, eventually.

We know what happened..people died in unfortunate circumstances in two separate events.

The reasons about how/why these events happened, and why several/all of the guests remained below decks during the storm will come out after the investigations have taken place. Meanwhile internet conspiracy theorists and sleuths will have a feeding frenzy, marine experts will have their five minutes in the spotlight, and newspapers will see a chance of dragging the story out and selling a bit more copy or online searches.

 

[BoldonLad]

We know what happened..people died in unfortunate circumstances in two separate events.

The reasons about how/why these events happened, and why the guests remained below decks during the storm will come out after the investigations have taken place. Meanwhile internet conspiracy theorists and sleuths will have a feeding frenzy, marine experts will have their five minutes in the spotlight, and newspapers will see a chance of dragging the story out and selling a bit more copy or online searches.

Very true ie “normal service resumed”.

I just thought it made a change from Trump and various posts on X

Variety is the spice of life, I believe the saying goes. 😊

 

[Bazzer]

.....The reasons about how/why these events happened, and why several/all of the guests remained below decks during the storm will come out after the investigations have taken place....

Having been on 35 -37 metre vessels in the Red Sea during rough weather, IME the safest place, provided the boat didn't sink, was below decks.
The upper deck, or decks on vessels with one or more tiers above the water line, would normally be more spacious for lounging around, eating etc. Not only is there less to hold on to in a storm, but there is more space for objects to be flung around.
A cabin, whether below deck, or one on the main deck, is almost certainly going to be smaller than the socialising rooms. The smaller space of the cabin is likely to provide more opportunities to hold on to, or even wedge yourself between fixed furniture. If you are unfortunate and are thrown against against a wall etc., or hit by a flying object, it's still going to hurt, but not as much as it would if you were in a much larger space.