Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

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Psamathe

Squire
I asked Gemini if national Green Party policy was followed by local councillors.
I think any Party benefits greatly from a wide range of differing opinion. The view requiring unity on (official?) Party Policy is daft and maybe highlights the megalomanic tendencies of the leader (though maybe not quite so much for Green Party given their policy mechanisms).

Local Councillors are elected to represent their Constituents on the Council not to represent whoever/whatever decides National Party Policy.

MPs are elected to represent their Constituents not the leader (or those setting Party policy).

Often the successful candidate will have got well below 50% of the votes cast which could mean more that 50% disagreed with a manifesto policy. The job of the elected candidate is to represent the entire constituency, not just a subset of those who cast votes and cast votes for the successful candidate.

Also, different views highlights shortcomings, possible improvments and that can become an iterative process rather than just following the blind flawed lack of understanding of their high IQ, brilliant, flawless leader (looking at you Kemi).

So often maybe disagreeing with some official National Party policies can be a good sign.
 

Pblakeney

Shaman
I think any Party benefits greatly from a wide range of differing opinion. The view requiring unity on (official?) Party Policy is daft and maybe highlights the megalomanic tendencies of the leader (though maybe not quite so much for Green Party given their policy mechanisms).

Local Councillors are elected to represent their Constituents on the Council not to represent whoever/whatever decides National Party Policy.

MPs are elected to represent their Constituents not the leader (or those setting Party policy).

Often the successful candidate will have got well below 50% of the votes cast which could mean more that 50% disagreed with a manifesto policy. The job of the elected candidate is to represent the entire constituency, not just a subset of those who cast votes and cast votes for the successful candidate.

Also, different views highlights shortcomings, possible improvments and that can become an iterative process rather than just following the blind flawed lack of understanding of their high IQ, brilliant, flawless leader (looking at you Kemi).

So often maybe disagreeing with some official National Party policies can be a good sign.

While I fully agree with your assessment of how things should be I think they are naive as to how things actually are.
In my lifetime I have seen local MPs vote against the best interests of their constituents in favour of the party. It doesn't last in the long run as people have memories but MPs are only ever interested in the short term next election their careers.
 

Psamathe

Squire
While I fully agree with your assessment of how things should be I think they are naive as to how things actually are.
In my lifetime I have seen local MPs vote against the best interests of their constituents in favour of the party. It doesn't last in the long run as people have memories but MPs are only ever interested in the short term next election their careers.
I agree. My comment was about how I see disagreements within parties (ie as often positive and a good sign). As to how things actually are: maybe Ms Badenoch is avoiding any disunity be pre-filtering and blocking any candidates who might disagree with her brilliant, high IQ, flawless policies so disunity never has any opportunity to arise.

Confession: Only the one occasion but I have once voted Conservative. Local Council election and a couple of months before I was attending a Planning Committee meeting to talk to object to an application being considered. Application was one that was very much in-line with Conservative manifesto on development. Local Conservative Councillor attended and I was chatting to him before the meeting, outlining my argument and he decided he would use his "Councillor Slot" to talk and also argue against the application and thus against his own Party's Planning Policies. Demonstrated to me he was prepared to represent constituents rather than blindly follow his party policy and next Council elections he got my vote!
 

monkers

Pharaoh
I think any Party benefits greatly from a wide range of differing opinion. The view requiring unity on (official?) Party Policy is daft and maybe highlights the megalomanic tendencies of the leader (though maybe not quite so much for Green Party given their policy mechanisms).

Local Councillors are elected to represent their Constituents on the Council not to represent whoever/whatever decides National Party Policy.

MPs are elected to represent their Constituents not the leader (or those setting Party policy).

Often the successful candidate will have got well below 50% of the votes cast which could mean more that 50% disagreed with a manifesto policy. The job of the elected candidate is to represent the entire constituency, not just a subset of those who cast votes and cast votes for the successful candidate.

Also, different views highlights shortcomings, possible improvments and that can become an iterative process rather than just following the blind flawed lack of understanding of their high IQ, brilliant, flawless leader (looking at you Kemi).

So often maybe disagreeing with some official National Party policies can be a good sign.

Just to develop your point if I may.

The GPEW has three sets of statements.

Core Values

Philosophical basis.

Record of Policy Statements for a Sustainable Future.

It intends to operate that members have collective agreed around Core Values and Philosophical basis. There are mechanisms to change these, but these are protracted and require a high bar to change them.

Most of the collective effort goes into developing ROPS.

There is a dissent rule where members have little room to disagree with CVs or PBs but plenty of opportunity to discuss, put forward motions and vote on ROPS.

The dissent rule for public speaking or written communication is, to paraphrase it: First state what the policy is, Secondly state your own opinion, Thirdly, state why your opinion is different from the policy.

This is where some difficulty arises. There have been cases of members attempting to sue the party. The problem is that they challenge core values and the philosophical basis of the party - the parts where the party intends to build a collective view which are largely treated as off limits.

Such was the case with Shahrar Ali who while being the spokesperson for policing said little about that, instead using this platform to speak about his views about trans women and used the position to campaign to advance himself in the party. He sued on 16 points, lost on 15 of those but the court sustained that the GPEW had not strictly adhered to procedural work with his dismissal.
 

monkers

Pharaoh
I asked Gemini if national Green Party policy was followed by local councillors.

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Did you not notice that Gemini began with a quote from CapX Brian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapX

However it is correct, that Green Party policy is to object to large scale solar farms on workable farmland. They speak to protect forestry, hedgerows and yes, farming. It is also correct that they to wish for them (solar installations) to be sited on brownfield sites and existing rooftops.

The example you gave was of good quality farmland that was being sold off to become an industrial site. Naturally the Greens would object to this - it is contrary to their stated policy.

It is important to read and consider policy before making these random attacks.
 
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Psamathe

Squire
However it is correct, that Green Party policy ...
Finding out exactly what Green Party policy is is nigh on impossible (unless you are a registered member). Manifesto (eg 2024 General Election) is open/published but eg looking at the Conference Approved Policies required a logon with no option to "Register" (ie you need to be a member. Not very open in a democracy the electorate not being able to freely see what motions Conference have approved.
 

monkers

Pharaoh
Finding out exactly what Green Party policy is is nigh on impossible (unless you are a registered member). Manifesto (eg 2024 General Election) is open/published but eg looking at the Conference Approved Policies required a logon with no option to "Register" (ie you need to be a member. Not very open in a democracy the electorate not being able to freely see what motions Conference have approved.

You're right. It used to be an open source, and I lament that it no longer is. However commentary from local Green Parties is easy to find. For example Google found this in a blink.

Members of the Suffolk GLI (Green, Lib Dem and Independent) group , who form the official opposition at Suffolk County Council, expressed their delight today that their motion requesting a joined-up approach to solar power from the government was approved by the council this afternoon.

Recent solar farm applications have seen approvals granted by the Planning Inspectorate on the best quality and most versatile agricultural land, for example the Gunthorpe Road development in Lincolnshire last year. Despite its good quality agricultural land, Suffolk has also been a target for solar farm development, including the recently approved Sunnica proposals for the west of the county, and the White Elm solar farm planned for Mid Suffolk.

Despite some changes to planning law at the end of 2023, not enough is being done to ensure that new homes have renewable energy courses – which reduces energy bills as well as the environmental benefits.

In addition, solar panels could be retrofitted to homes and commercial buildings, or on car park canopies as can be seen in France. A focus on rooftop solar would be preferable to taking good quality farmland out of action for years at a time.

Whilst solar panels on roofs cannot provide all of the 58GW that England needs to provide to meet the UK’s solar targets, the Green, Liberal Democrat and Independent group are clear that rooftops are the preferred place for solar panels rather the countryside.

Leader of the Green, Lib Dem and Independent group, Andrew Stringer, said:

“I’m very pleased that today’s council meeting recognised the urgent need for a joined-up government policy on solar planning and development.
“Every time a council of any colour tries to develop a policy to insist on solar on new domestic properties, the government stops them by insisting they must not go beyond current building regulations, which cannot compel solar on new domestic roofs.
“Although when properly managed, solar farms can increase biodiversity and give the soil a period of recovery from intensive farming, they are a jarring sight on our beautiful countryside and take up lots of good quality land which we could be using to produce food.
“Our message is ‘Roofs before Rural’ and we would like to see the government making rooftop, urban and brownfield solar power the priority for development.
“Suffolk County Council can set a good example by accelerating its plans to introduce solar panels to its properties and assets, including schools, libraries and buildings on county farms. As well as helping to combat climate change – which is ultimately a far greater threat to farmers and food security than solar farms – this will reduce the council’s spend on energy bills and help it to meet its ambitious 2030 net zero target.”
 
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Psamathe

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However commentary from local Green Parties is easy to find. For example Google found this in a blink.

Members of the Suffolk GLI (Green, Lib Dem and Independent) group , who form the official opposition at Suffolk County Council, expressed their delight today that their motion requesting a joined-up approach to solar power from the government was approved by the council this afternoon.
What one regional group says in response to a local council decision is irrelevant in terms of Party Policy. The detail of a Party Policy is crucial eg Solar Farms and agriculture do not necessarily conflict, solar farms can significantly improve biodiversity and wildlife. The detail of the policy is important yet the Green Party seem to want such matters kept secret and that secrecy shouts volumes.

How can we know what the Green Party is about when their Policies are kept secret and even their long form election manifestos provide no detail.
 
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monkers

Pharaoh
What one regional group says in response to a local council decision is irrelevant in terms of Party Policy. The detail of a Party Policy is crucial eg Solar Farms and agriculture do not necessarily conflict, solar farms can significantly improve biodiversity and wildlife. The detail of the policy is important yet the Green Party seem to want such matters kept secret and that secrecy shouts volumes.

How can we know what the Green Party is about when their Policies are kept secret and even their long form election manifestos provide no detail.

Yes, I have already agreed with you and lamented the truth of that. One difficulty is the issues encompass policies to do with land supply and usage, farming, food production, and sustainable energy supply. This will cut across the various policies found in the three places. I can offer to cut 'n' paste snippets but not the whole bodies of text - there is a substantial body of text as you know.

This is the whole of the document ''Philosophical Basis''. It's a long enough read, but one or two folk hear might be interested to read it.

Philosophical Basis​

We believe that:
A system based on inequality and exploitation is threatening the future of the planet on which we depend, and encouraging reckless and environmentally damaging consumerism.
A world based on cooperation and democracy would prioritise the many, not the few, and would not risk the planet’s future with environmental destruction and unsustainable consumption.
Green Politics
PB101

“Only after the last tree has been cut down,

Only after the last river has been poisoned,

Only after the last fish has been caught,

Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.”
PB102 Like all life on earth, humankind depends upon a healthy natural environment for its survival. Yet it is human activity, more than anything else, that is causing widespread and rapid changes to the climate and damaging ecosystems and, ultimately, threatening the future of life on Earth as we currently know it.
PB103 Conventional political and economic policies are destroying the very foundations of the wellbeing of humans and other animals. Our culture is in the grip of a value system and a way of understanding the world which is fundamentally flawed.
PB104 Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, society has expected continual increases in material affluence for the people of the world, and has therefore relentlessly pursued the goal of economic growth. Some nations, such as our own, have indeed become very rich and yet within them there is still abject poverty. Inequality in society has a negative impact on everyone’s wellbeing and even individual affluence does not guarantee wellbeing or life satisfaction. Meanwhile, the poor nations of the world are becoming poorer as wealth continues to be transferred to the rich nations from the poor ones.
PB105 We cannot go on indefinitely exploiting and wasting the natural resources of a finite world. If humans continue to promote policies which require the unlimited consumption of raw materials, it will lead not to more riches, even for the few, but poverty for all.
PB106 The pursuit of economic growth must cease to be an automatic aim of human societies as it is driving over-exploitation of the Earth. We should instead aim to develop ambitious and equitable plans to bring about a transition to an economy that protects natural systems and improves well-being focused on human values rather than consumerism. Traditional measures of economic activity, such as GDP, should be replaced by new indicators that measure progress towards this aim.
PB107 Conventional politics divides humans from nature and the individual from society. The rejection of this way of seeing the world is fundamental to Green philosophy. Rather than set them against each other, the Green Party seeks healthy interdependence of individual, nature and society.
PB108 As human beings, we all have the potential to live co-operatively and harmoniously with each other, and with reverence and respect for the complex web of life of which we are a part. Yet it has become increasingly obvious that this potential cannot be realised while basic human needs remain largely unmet.
PB109 By basic needs we mean not only the physiological needs of food, water, air, shelter and sleep, but also psychological needs. These include the need for love, respect, autonomy, security, and meaningful activity within our communities.
PB110 The fact that many people’s basic needs are not met has far reaching consequences. This is expressed as anxiety, insecurity, and aggressive behaviour towards others, and exploitation of their environment. These personal factors give rise to and are then perpetuated by, social institutions which actively encourage oppression, pollution, resource depletion, poverty and military conflict.
PB111 The Green Party therefore places both personal and political change at the heart of its response to the ecological crisis and is committed to creating a society in which individuals, through their ability to satisfy their basic needs more fully, are then able better to contribute to future sustainability. This principle is reflected in the radical Green agenda both for changes in values and lifestyles, and for reformed social, economic and political structures.
PB112 The Green Party values the diversity of ways in which people relate to each other and the natural environment. It seeks a balance between a number of different processes which contribute to human well-being, rather than stressing one at the expense of all others. It refuses to treat any single value, whether freedom, wealth or equality, as a supreme criterion of political success. In an ecological society a wide range of lifestyle choices will be promoted as individuals and communities seek to establish the most appropriate means of implementing sustainability.
Humans in the Environment
PB201
Our survival depends upon the continued survival of all the ecosystems which evolved before us. The Green Party therefore sees humanity as necessarily a dependent part of the natural environment. Human activity has caused widespread and rapid damage to the environment and this is now threatening our future survival. Political objectives should accept our dependence, not seek to transgress it. We do not believe that any other species is expendable.
PB202 Conventional politics has established human domination of the exploitable environment as the basis of human power and the basis for hierarchies of wealth. Conventional politics ignores the environment’s complexity and full potential value. The Green Party promotes policies which respect it, based on the following key principles:
PB203 Ecological Politics Each organism is dependent on other species and on the physical world for its survival. Whereas human value judgements normally focus on human needs, value ultimately lies in the well-being of the whole ecosystem. Western society has seen nature as valuable only in so far as it is useful to humans. Where human “development” has irreparably damaged the ecosystem, species have been driven to extinction, and the land is as useless for human purposes as it is for other species.
PB204 Interdependence The Green Party recognises that humankind depends on its environment for its welfare, and conversely that human activities have a critical impact on environmental processes, with serious implications for the welfare and survival of other species. Therefore the proper relationship between humanity and its environment should be one of interdependence within it, not control over it. Like all forms of life, we take from others and give back in return. We should ensure that human activities contribute to, rather than destroy, the richness of life.
PB205 Diversity The diversity of species living on this planet is a manifestation of its ecological complexity. This diversity sustains and strengthens all ecosystems so that they are able to withstand shocks to their functioning, such as earthquake or disease. The Green Party recognises the limits of humanity’s powers to observe and understand natural processes and therefore recognises the necessity for protecting biodiversity for its own sake. The maintenance and enhancement of biodiversity is demonstrably beneficial to all life on earth, not just humans.
PB206 Sustainability The central integrating principle underlying all Green Party policies is that all human activities must be indefinitely sustainable. They must neither use resources faster than they can be replaced, nor create effects or products which cannot be assimilated indefinitely by the environment. It is no longer valid to follow conventional short-term political planning practices. The long-term consequences of any activity must always be considered and ideally any planned action must either be in a form that can be continued indefinitely or will lead to a situation which can be indefinitely sustained.
Humans in Society
PB301
Climate and Ecological Emergency Implementing the policies which will create an ecological and egalitarian society has never been more important. It will require a great deal of social change if we are to address the existential environmental threats and challenges now facing us. We therefore propose a number of principles upon which a truly sustainable society will be based.
PB302 Democracy A healthy society is based on voluntary co-operation between equal individuals in a democratic society. Those decisions that establish a secure basis for such co-operation need to be taken by society as a whole through the democratic processes, but other issues should be left to individuals and communities to decide for themselves. An ecological society will be made up of self-governing communities of a variety of sizes which will regulate their own social and economic activities. Nothing should be decided at a higher level if it can be decided at a lower one. But the Green Party accepts that regional and national governments will continue to have an important role. The Green Party recognises that deep and widespread change is necessary to avert climate and biodiversity disaster however we believe that while these changes must be brought about through democratic means, they must be developed and implemented quickly.
PB303 Equality The Green Party believes that all people are of equal value, and recognises that as individuals and groups characteristics including, but not limited to, disability, age, race, colour, ethnicity, sex, gender, sexual orientation, class, faith or belief can lead to our being subjected to multiple and intersecting forms of discrimination and oppression. The Green Party rejects all forms of unjustified discrimination, and recognises that entrenched beliefs and systemic practices impact on people in very different ways. We believe that discriminatory behaviour by individuals and social institutions should be actively challenged. We accept the need for laws and social institutions to protect the interests of disadvantaged individuals and groups.
PB304 Human Rights The fundamental, inalienable rights of each individual in a democratic society must be set out in a written constitution. The Green Party promotes the implementation of policies which protect human rights and rejects all forms of exploitation for any purpose whatsoever. Individual human rights include the freedom to combine with others in common endeavours in representative institutions such as trade unions and community groups. The Green Party believes that human rights can only ultimately be protected by the watchful activity of such organisations within society.
PB305 Rights of Future Generations The suffering of future generations as a result of global warming caused by current generations makes it crucial that their rights are recognised and championed by organisations within society today.
PB306 Minorities Majority rule is insufficient as the basis for resolving conflicts. The Green Party promotes non-violent solutions to conflict situations. The interests of the minority and of future generations must be included in non-violent processes of conflict resolution in order to achieve lasting settlements.
PB307 Internationalism

It is the proper role of government to be concerned with the well-being of its citizens, but this should not be pursued to the detriment of other nations or future generations.
PB308 Basic Material Security for All Society should guarantee access to basic material security for all and should provide a wide range of opportunities for personal fulfilment in both a material and non-material sense. If hardship is even a possibility, a sense of insecurity will prevent individuals from acting in accordance with ecological constraints. A guarantee of security will not ensure voluntary ecological behaviour, but it is a necessary precondition.
Freedom
PB401
The Green Party affirms the importance of individual freedom and self expression. We believe people should be free to make their own decisions on matters which do not adversely affect others. Its importance lies in valuing the opportunity people have to make their own decisions, accept responsibility for them and develop in their own way.
PB402 Our commitment to freedom necessarily requires certain restrictions. Firstly, wealth and power are often used to curtail the freedoms of the poor and powerless. The protection of legitimate freedom therefore requires restrictions on oppressive activities.
PB403 Secondly, individual freedom should not be exercised where that freedom depends on the exploitation or harm to any person or group in society, or to the environment. Where the exercise of such freedoms harms others the Green Party believes it is legitimate that those rights should be curtailed.
PB404 Thirdly, individual freedom includes the freedom to combine with others in common endeavours in such a way that decision-making powers are delegated to representative institutions such as trade unions, community groups and governments.
Wealth
PB410
The Green Party recognises that our wealth must be more broadly defined than simply including payment of money. We benefit as a nation from the wealth of natural resources around us such as clean air, rainfall, energy from the sun and the planet’s biodiversity. Our society also depends upon the unpaid work provided by carers and volunteers.
PB411 We reject the view that wealth can be measured solely in monetary units, a view which allows its adherents to think it consists primarily of the results of human labour. This error has caused successive governments to pursue objectives which appear to increase the nation’s wealth while in fact they reduce it. Symbols of wealth, like money, reinforce the error and dominate political decision making. Economic growth is a poor guide to human welfare.
PB412 New economic ideas, institutions and organisations are needed to reduce our dependence on such symbols. Economic policy should be directed not to maximising the forms of wealth that can be measured in monetary terms, but to ensuring that the needs of all are met.
PB413 A sustainable society can be prosperous, but it cannot have continually rising affluence. We accept that there is a limit to the wealth each person can receive, and this is true no matter how much or how little work needs to be done to produce that wealth. Some redistribution of income will be required. What wealth there is must be shared in such a way that everyone has a guarantee of economic security, otherwise people will not heed ecological restraints in their daily lives.
Conservation
PB420
Under the present system, economic growth is supported by unlimited consumption of both renewable and non-renewable resources. However, in a finite world there is not an infinite supply of natural resources. The Green Party recognises limits to growth. Limits to growth are likely to be imposed primarily by resource depletion and the ever-increasing costs of pollution. Furthermore, land also is in limited supply. An expanding world population demands expanding food supplies. Irresponsible land use planning, degradation of land through human activity and changes in land quality and availability due to climate change, mean that land must be managed in such a way as to ensure sustainable human development and safeguard biodiversity’
PB421 Conservation of land and natural resources will be very important in order to protect the natural environment from pollution and degradation. The Green Party believes that technologies which promote reuse and recycling of materials and products should be given priority over the production of goods from newly generated resources. We believe our towns and cities should be structured in such a way as to maximise resource conservation.
Progress and Technology
PB430
We value the processes of researching and developing new technologies. However, they should not be considered self-evidently desirable, nor should lifestyles based on more complex technologies be considered necessarily superior to lifestyles based on simpler ones. All too often the expression ‘You can’t stop progress’ is used to express despair, and aptly describes a society which knows it is regressing but has not found the means to stop.
PB431 Technology, like other aspects of human culture, needs to be used selectively and within limits. The path of technological development is not a given, but a choice made by society. We should choose to develop technologies that are inherently beneficial to the common good.
Empowerment
PB440
Power is simply our ability to be effective, but it takes different forms. ‘Power over’ is dysfunctional, succeeds only at the expense of others and should be limited and contained. ‘Power to’, or empowerment, is our potential to co-operate and take control over our own lives. Organisations which have based themselves on empowerment have found that they are as successful, if not more, at achieving their aims, and have delivered considerable social and environmental benefits.
PB441 However, ‘power over’ remains the dominant force in our hierarchical, competitive society. We have to engage with it, but we do so only in order to transform it. This requires changes in law, culture and economics.
PB442 The Green Party does not believe there is an automatic moral obligation on all people to obey their governments. It seeks to maximise the extent to which obedience to laws is based on consent and minimise the need for conformity through deterrence. We believe there are occasions when individuals and groups in society may openly, and peacefully, protest at an unjust law or practice through civil disobedience.
PB443 We seek a society in which people are empowered and involved in making the decisions which affect them. We advocate participatory and democratic politics. Leadership should always be accountable, consensus-driven and moral. We reject the hierarchical structure of leaders and followers.
Property
PB450
The Green Party believes that, since human well-being depends on the use of land and its physical resources, property laws should be designed to ensure that all have access to the things they need. All those who have a stake in property should have a real say in how it is managed. Common goods need to be accountably managed by the community that depends on them.
PB451 Property laws should permit neither states nor individuals to treat their property in whatever way they choose. Instead they should aim to ensure that all people, where they wish it, have their needs met through access to the land and its resources, while maintaining its quality for future generations. Property laws should therefore impose duties on owners as well as granting rights.
Work
PB460
The Green Party recognises that work plays a central part in a healthy and balanced life. People have a natural desire to make a contribution to the common good.
PB461 We therefore oppose the view of work which treats it as an unfortunate necessity to be performed by machines whenever possible and we oppose the reduction of people’s working lives to a series of simple, repetitive activities. Labour-saving devices may be valuable in some circumstances, but not all. We believe that access to creative, rewarding work is a fundamental human right. We also oppose the view that hard work is to be praised for its own sake. A healthy life is a balanced one, including time for both work and leisure.
PB462 The quality of work is as important as the quantity. As working practices adapt to new technologies, there is an increasing divide between the work that needs to be done and the paid employment which provides incomes. The Green Party believes that employment policies should aim to match the work which needs to be done with the abilities of people.
Strategy
PB501
We do not believe that there is only one way to change society, or that we have all the answers. We seek to be part of a wider green movement that works for these principles through a variety of means. We generally support those who use reasonable and non-violent forms of direct action to further just aims.
PB502 Our beliefs will bring us into conflict with those committed to material affluence, the accumulation of power and the unsustainable exploitation of the Earth. We are always ready to negotiate with those who oppose us, and seek fair settlements that respect their needs for security, self esteem and freedom of choice.
PB503 We will even work with those who disagree with us where sufficient common ground can be found to do so. However, we do not seek power at any price, and will withdraw our support if we are asked to make irreversible or fundamental compromises.
 
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Psamathe

Squire
The problem for Polanski now is, if he can stay as leader, what does he do next Westminster election. Does he find a safer constituency and parachute in there? or does he return to his failure in Holborn and St Pancras and block out a local candidate again?

Maybe academic as there seems increasing calls for him to step down as leader, which he won't ...
 

monkers

Pharaoh
The problem for Polanski now is, if he can stay as leader, what does he do next Westminster election. Does he find a safer constituency and parachute in there? or does he return to his failure in Holborn and St Pancras and block out a local candidate again?

Maybe academic as there seems increasing calls for him to step down as leader, which he won't ...

He has lived in the constituency before, and his work as a member of the London Assembly is a further link. Although not resident in the constituency itself presently, he is still local.
 

Psamathe

Squire
How can we know what the Green Party is about when their Policies are kept secret and even their long form election manifestos provide no detail.
Yes, I have already agreed with you and lamented the truth of that.
It's a massive issue, way beyond solar farm policies.

The Green Party seek votes from the electorate but won't tell them what their policies are - that is madness and that the Party can't see that madness just compounds their being unsuited to Government.
 

monkers

Pharaoh
It's a massive issue, way beyond solar farm policies.

The Green Party seek votes from the electorate but won't tell them what their policies are - that is madness and that the Party can't see that madness just compounds their being unsuited to Government.

I've already agreed with you twice - the policies should be on-line and open source as they always previously were. I'm not sure what you think that leaves me to say.
 
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