Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

[Bromptonaut]

Is there such a thing as recreational use of any opioid, including heroin?

My understanding is that the main purpose of opioid use is in pain relief, and to manage the effects of addiction. They don't produce a high, but ease physical and emotional pain.

Codeine doesn't produce a high but the physical and emotional easement is very real indeed.

Until the sixties tablets of 30mg Codeine were available over the counter (OTC) in a pharmacy just as lower doses in combination with Paracetamol or Ibuprofen are now.

My Father took Codeine more or less daily for headache right up to the time the OTC dose was reduced. With hindsight I'd say he was addicted and/or using it for anxiety/depression.

He was still using Veganin, an OTC mix of Paracetamol, Aspirin and low dose Codeine at least until the late seventies.

 

[All uphill]

I recall a couple of my acquaintance who were both professionals, owned their own house, and were both heroin addicts. Also a lawyer not far from here who ran his own law firm specialising in criminal law, and scored off his own clients. A friend worked for him. He eventually managed to fatally overdose (the dangers of unregulated supply, you see). His obituary was a masterpiece of double-meaning - if you knew.

Yes, that's not uncommon, I understand - people being dependent on opioids and still managing to function.

Clearly buying street heroin presents greater risks, and costs more than a supply of a similar drug from a pharmaceutical company.

I grew up in a farming area and it was widely believed that a local vet controlled their demons with liberal applications of brandy and equine painkillers. That person died in their late 70s.

Tldr: it's the dirty needles, need for money and getting into the grips of dealers that causes the trouble to society, rather than the opioid.

 

[CXRAndy]

Anecdotal comments.

How do you know someone shooting up is coping fine, and not destroying the lives of those around and themselves

 

[AuroraSaab]

Functioning alcoholics still devastate their lives and the lives of their loved ones. It's just not as obvious to everybody else at the time.

 

[Ian H]

Functioning alcoholics still devastate their lives and the lives of their loved ones. It's just not as obvious to everybody else at the time.

Oh, I dunno. A very good friend of ours is just such a person. He's very proud of the way his liver defies his doctor's warnings. He's good company and a perfect house-guest.

 

[First Aspect]

Yes, that's not uncommon, I understand - people being dependent on opioids and still managing to function.

Clearly buying street heroin presents greater risks, and costs more than a supply of a similar drug from a pharmaceutical company.

I grew up in a farming area and it was widely believed that a local vet controlled their demons with liberal applications of brandy and equine painkillers. That person died in their late 70s.

Tldr: it's the dirty needles, need for money and getting into the grips of dealers that causes the trouble to society, rather than the opioid.

Ketamine, most likely. He was a trend setter.

I have actually tried it, when they needed to re-set a bone. It is a glorious substance that made me quite phlegmatic about all the trauma and pain going on. and it is no mystery why people get hooked.

 

[monkers]

A new poll (such as however accurate any poll is) shows the Greens leading now and with the best betting odds too. One week to go.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Oh, I dunno. A very good friend of ours is just such a person. He's very proud of the way his liver defies his doctor's warnings. He's good company and a perfect house-guest.

I know two. One is still working and you wouldn't even know he had a drink problem, unless you asked his family what the effects were of course. The other one is no longer functioning but managed until well into his 60's. He's a lovely man but has ruined his relationship with his children and grandchildren. 'Functioning' often means good at hiding it.

 

[First Aspect]

A new poll (such as however accurate any poll is) shows the Greens leading now and with the best betting odds too. One week to go.

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The Tories are up to 10% (I am assuming 60% of their support are too ashamed to admit it).

 

[CXRAndy]

Oh, I dunno. A very good friend of ours is just such a person. He's very proud of the way his liver defies his doctor's warnings. He's good company and a perfect house-guest.

My father in law was a functioning alcoholic until he wasn't. Destroyed his marriage and died of throat cancer as a result of drinking alcohol. His liver was so sensitive it only took a tiny amount of alcohol to make him drunk. But he kept this level pretty constantly

 

[Mr Celine]

So where are they going to get cocaine and heroin from?

Flashback to 30 years ago. Maternity ward at the GBH (local hospital).

Midwife 'I think you need something stronger'.

Mrs Celine 'Aaaaargh, yes please, ow, ow.

Midwife ' I'm going to give you some diamorphine'.

Me 'Oh lucky you, medical grade smack'.

Midwife 'It's not heroin'.

Mrs Celine 'Of course it is, I should know I'm a chemistry teacher, just aaargh give it to me NOW!

 

[Bromptonaut]

Functioning alcoholics still devastate their lives and the lives of their loved ones. It's just not as obvious to everybody else at the time.

If their drinking has those consequences I'd suggest they were outwith the description of 'functioning'.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Anecdotal comments.

How do you know someone shooting up is coping fine, and not destroying the lives of those around and themselves

Goes both ways, but yeah living with addicts is tough.

Functioning alcoholics still devastate their lives and the lives of their loved ones. It's just not as obvious to everybody else at the time.

The next question would be is it because of the Alcohol addiction or any addiction really or the underlying issues, like for example alcohol making them violent?

Oh, I dunno. A very good friend of ours is just such a person. He's very proud of the way his liver defies his doctor's warnings. He's good company and a perfect house-guest.

Yeah i had such a person in my circle(just minus the good company and perfect house guest part, he was more like an unpredictable as$hole) and then he tried to burn his girlfriends house got arrested was put an on forced sobering program, after about a week he died because the alcohol didn;t thin his blood anymore so his smoking took him out.

 

[All uphill]

Goes both ways, but yeah living with addicts is tough.

The next question would be is it because of the Alcohol addiction or any addiction really or the underlying issues, like for example alcohol making them violent?


Yeah i had such a person in my circle(just minus the good company and perfect house guest part, he was more like an unpredictable as$hole) and then he tried to burn his girlfriends house got arrested was put an on forced sobering program, after about a week he died because the alcohol didn;t thin his blood anymore so his smoking took him out.

And, of course, there's the question of whether the drugs made someone destructive, or whether the drugs were a way of managing the destructive impulses.

I wish DJT would develop a calming tranquilliser habit.

 

[Pblakeney]

And, of course, there's the question of whether the drugs made someone destructive, or whether the drugs were a way of managing the destructive impulses.

I wish DJT would develop a calming tranquilliser habit.

Assuming that alcohol is a drug then here is my take. It is a multiplier. (Other drugs will likely be different though). If you are happy then it will make you really happy; sad, even sadder; angry, even more angry; aggressive, even more aggressive. Use accordingly.