Donald I, emperor of the world.

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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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Putin is clever and principled. Whilst his country and actions are a threat, we know that they are a threat. He has never been an ally of the West. America has. It's been loud, and annoying and brash, but has always worked in concert with other western nations. Under Trump, these relationships have been destroyed. America is no longer a somewhat neutral positive country allied against the axis of evil. It's an unhelmed disaster smacking into one rock after another whilst systematically destroying accords and agreements that would have helped other countries.

It is in danger of becoming another territory which could end the world. The West is therefore rightly concerned.

Also, Putin doesn't exactly have a fan club on here. We recognise that Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un are wrong-uns.

That is condemnation?

I wonder if that is what the Vietnamese would say, or the Iraqis, or the Libyans?
 

Pinno718

Well-Known Member
The MAGA nutters are preparing their last lines of defence:

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In her opinion.
 

pinkbikini

New Member
I have US friends and in-laws.

It doesn't bother me that much which is why I don't post much on this one. But maybe you can tell me gets so many people so riled - you seem to be a bit more rational about it than some.

I think icowden summed most of the issues up nicely, and added a few I'd forgotten!

Our Americans friends here are mostly upset by the way that the consitution is being systematically changed. The three-branch government (legislative, executive, judiciary) which was designed to limit the power-hungry ambitions of any one party, person or group are being challenged seemingly at almost every turn. It's bad enough now, with a 'useful idiot' as president. They're more worried about the longer-term implications once the US starts to accept these changes through the wider population 'not being that bothered because it doesn't really affect them'.

The US residents I know (who are certainly more 'Republican' in outlook) still think Trump is an economic bin-burner and the longer-term outlook of isolationism is worrying. His short-term approach via tarriffs seems to have some financial upside for the US, but I'm not that economically astute and I can't work out yet who really benefits.

The world feels like a worse place with Trump and the current crop of Republicans. And there are so many reasons why people get 'so riled' - it's not difficult to understand.
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
USA like many countries had a huge production industry. That has been eroded over decades by multinationals choosing country with cheaper labour and importing the products back into the USA.

Trump has said, we are biggest consumer in the world, if you want to sell your products, you either make them here, employ Americans or you pay a tariff for the pleasure of selling here.

Many parts of the world have blocked USA products with tariffs and other protocols. USA being so big, probably didn't overly care. Successive administrations have allowed the destruction of domestic, allowed overseas production to flood the USA.

Trump has said this for many decades even before ever running for office.

He is just following through on his belief, USA first, front and No1.
 

laurentian

New Member
Trump has said, we are biggest consumer in the world, if you want to sell your products, you either make them here, employ Americans or you pay a tariff for the pleasure of selling here.

. . . except they don't pay the tariffs, American businesses and consumers do. I know you know that nobody here takes you seriously but do try to understand stuff before posting . . . you're in danger of appearing daft otherwise
 
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Ian H

Squire
He was clever enough to make them fall out of third floor windows and principled enough to ensure that all of his opponents fall out of third floor windows. I didn't say he was nice.

Putin has discipline and ambition rather than principles. He wants to emulate Catherine the Great and build a Greater Russia, encompassing Ukraine, and perhaps Poland as well as the minor satellite states.
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
Not necessarily the consumer sees the tariff cost. The importer may choose to absorb some of the cost to remain competitive in the market.

In the case of the USA it's a stick to encourage manufacturing to base in the USA, creating investment, jobs.

Citizens may prefer to buy domestic or from foreign companies promising home made goods.

The payments go the federal government in helping cut the deficit.

Stock markets have settled down after the announcement of tariffs, then skyrocketed with record figures being produced

Its not all doom and gloom
 

briantrumpet

Veteran
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
You are pissing into the wind.

I assume that anyone praising Trump has the same amount of understanding of stuff as Trump on, well, just about anything (except mobster-style shakedowns, which, to be fair, Trump *is* quite good at). I mean, Trump still isn't sure if a strong or weak dollar is preferable, or whether using a Sharpie on a weather forecast will change the forecast or not.
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
I assume that anyone praising Trump has the same amount of understanding of stuff as Trump on, well, just about anything (except mobster-style shakedowns, which, to be fair, Trump *is* quite good at). I mean, Trump still isn't sure if a strong or weak dollar is preferable, or whether using a Sharpie on a weather forecast will change the forecast or not.
Go and speak to the US people who voted him into power.

They are far more qualified than you or me :okay:
 
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