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First Aspect

Veteran
He's now got documents and potentially a big fish in Comey.

Comey may turn on Obama if he find himself staring down the barrel of long prison sentence

I think you may come to find the smoking gun to be a water pistol that blows bubbles.

People like Pam Bondi on the other hand may in time find out that presidential immunity doesnt extend to them.

This politicisation of the justice system has started to draw the ire even if Bret I'm not biased and I was qualified really Kavenaugh. But I suppose you didn't read his quotes this week about the importance of independence of the judiciary in the US constitution?

I don't think they can quite claim to be living by that just yet, but it is a glimmer of hope from one of the very worst of the SC.
 

Pinno718

Veteran
Source: ADL

All the extremist-related murders in 2024 were committed by right-wing extremists of various kinds, with eight of the 13 killings involving white supremacists and the remaining five having connections to far-right anti-government extremists.
 
Yes, in July 2025, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) under Director Tulsi Gabbard, along with the Department of Justice and CIA, declassified a series of documents related to the 2016 Russia investigation—often referred to by critics as the "Russia hoax." These materials, including memos, emails, timelines, and whistleblower testimony, allege that the Obama administration manipulated intelligence processes to fabricate or amplify claims of Russian election interference aimed at helping Donald Trump, thereby undermining his victory and presidency. The declassifications stem from ongoing reviews tied to Special Counsel John Durham's earlier probe and President Trump's executive orders for transparency.
Key Allegations from the Declassified Documents
The documents paint a picture of coordinated actions within the Obama White House and intelligence community (IC) to shape public and congressional perceptions of Russian meddling. Specific evidence includes:
Obama's Direct Tasking of the Intelligence Assessment: On December 9, 2016, during a National Security Council Principals Committee meeting chaired by Susan Rice, President Obama directed the IC—via DNI James Clapper—to produce a comprehensive, classified assessment on Russian interference in the 2016 election, with an unclassified version to follow by early January 2017. Emails from that day confirm the "POTUS tasking," involving key figures like CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, and Attorney General Loretta Lynch. The timeline was expedited at Obama's request to ensure delivery before his administration ended, with briefings planned for both Obama and President-elect Trump on January 3–6, 2017.
Suppression of Contradictory Intelligence: A draft Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) from December 8, 2016, concluded that Russia lacked the intent or capability to alter vote counts and "did not impact" the election through cyber hacks. However, FBI Director James Comey allegedly suppressed this to align with the collusion narrative. The next day, Obama's ordered assessment reversed this, incorporating unverified elements from the Clinton campaign-funded Steele Dossier—despite Clapper privately deeming it "untrustworthy." A September 2019 email revealed the dossier's unexpected inclusion in briefings to Trump, raising concerns about deception.
Media Leaks and Narrative Shaping: On December 9, 2016—the same day as Obama's tasking—IC officials leaked false claims to the Washington Post that Russia used "cyber means" to influence the election outcome. Further leaks on December 14 claimed "high confidence" in Putin's personal involvement in a "U.S. Election Hack." These contradicted earlier IC findings from September 2016 showing only low-confidence attribution and no evidence of vote manipulation.
Whistleblower Testimony on Pressure and Deception: A former Deputy National Intelligence Officer at the National Intelligence Council testified to being sidelined and pressured in late 2016 to accept judgments in the assessment, including Russia's alleged preference for Trump, despite lacking supporting evidence. The whistleblower was removed from email distributions after questioning contradictions and later learned the Steele Dossier influenced the 2017 ICA, contradicting official denials. They raised concerns with the IC Inspector General but faced dismissal, and their 2022 outreach to Durham yielded no follow-up.
These revelations, per ODNI and CIA statements, demonstrate a "coordinated plan" between the Clinton campaign and Obama administration to interfere in the election and destroy Trump's presidency, including possible domestic surveillance and politicization of intelligence. Senator Chuck Grassley highlighted the documents as shedding light on the "fake Trump-Russia narrative" pushed for Clinton's gain. Director Gabbard issued a criminal referral to the Justice Department, leading to a strike force investigation, though Obama has denied wrongdoing.
Counterpoints and Context
Skeptics, including Democrats like Rep. Jim Himes and Sen. Mark Warner, dismiss the declassifications as "politically motivated nonsense" and an attempt to rewrite history, noting they do not contradict the 2017 ICA's core conclusion that Putin ordered an influence campaign to harm Hillary Clinton and boost Trump via disinformation and hacks (not vote tampering). A CIA review under former Director John Ratcliffe found the assessment "defensible," and Obama officials never claimed widespread vote hacking—focusing instead on psychological operations. The documents primarily implicate mid-level officials like Brennan and Clapper in execution, with Obama's role limited to high-level tasking rather than proven personal fabrication.
In summary, while the documents provide previously undisclosed details suggesting Obama administration orchestration of the Russia narrative, they do not offer irrefutable proof of a personal "hoax" by Obama himself, and interpretations remain sharply divided along partisan lines. Further developments from the Justice Department's probe could clarify this.

I stopped reading when I saw the name 'Tulsi Gabbard.'

A well known supporter of Putin and the former Syrian dictatorship.
 

midlandsgrimpeur

Active Member
I think you may come to find the smoking gun to be a water pistol that blows bubbles.

People like Pam Bondi on the other hand may in time find out that presidential immunity doesnt extend to them.

This politicisation of the justice system has started to draw the ire even if Bret I'm not biased and I was qualified really Kavenaugh. But I suppose you didn't read his quotes this week about the importance of independence of the judiciary in the US constitution?

I don't think they can quite claim to be living by that just yet, but it is a glimmer of hope from one of the very worst of the SC.

I am still (slightly) of the belief that for all the horrendous acts of Trump and his administration and the lurch towards autocracy in the short term, that further ahead this could backfire spectacularly. When you start indicting your political enemies it is not a good look and one quite a lot of Americans will not like.
 

Pinno718

Veteran
The conspiracy theorists just can't stop... being conspiracists:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Euipt_t4M
 
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Rusty Nails

Country Member
Yes, in July 2025, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) under Director Tulsi Gabbard, along with the Department of Justice and CIA, declassified a series of documents related to the 2016 Russia investigation—often referred to by critics as the "Russia hoax." These materials, including memos, emails, timelines, and whistleblower testimony, allege that the Obama administration manipulated intelligence processes to fabricate or amplify claims of Russian election interference aimed at helping Donald Trump, thereby undermining his victory and presidency. The declassifications stem from ongoing reviews tied to Special Counsel John Durham's earlier probe and President Trump's executive orders for transparency.
Key Allegations from the Declassified Documents
The documents paint a picture of coordinated actions within the Obama White House and intelligence community (IC) to shape public and congressional perceptions of Russian meddling. Specific evidence includes:
Obama's Direct Tasking of the Intelligence Assessment: On December 9, 2016, during a National Security Council Principals Committee meeting chaired by Susan Rice, President Obama directed the IC—via DNI James Clapper—to produce a comprehensive, classified assessment on Russian interference in the 2016 election, with an unclassified version to follow by early January 2017. Emails from that day confirm the "POTUS tasking," involving key figures like CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, and Attorney General Loretta Lynch. The timeline was expedited at Obama's request to ensure delivery before his administration ended, with briefings planned for both Obama and President-elect Trump on January 3–6, 2017.
Suppression of Contradictory Intelligence: A draft Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) from December 8, 2016, concluded that Russia lacked the intent or capability to alter vote counts and "did not impact" the election through cyber hacks. However, FBI Director James Comey allegedly suppressed this to align with the collusion narrative. The next day, Obama's ordered assessment reversed this, incorporating unverified elements from the Clinton campaign-funded Steele Dossier—despite Clapper privately deeming it "untrustworthy." A September 2019 email revealed the dossier's unexpected inclusion in briefings to Trump, raising concerns about deception.
Media Leaks and Narrative Shaping: On December 9, 2016—the same day as Obama's tasking—IC officials leaked false claims to the Washington Post that Russia used "cyber means" to influence the election outcome. Further leaks on December 14 claimed "high confidence" in Putin's personal involvement in a "U.S. Election Hack." These contradicted earlier IC findings from September 2016 showing only low-confidence attribution and no evidence of vote manipulation.
Whistleblower Testimony on Pressure and Deception: A former Deputy National Intelligence Officer at the National Intelligence Council testified to being sidelined and pressured in late 2016 to accept judgments in the assessment, including Russia's alleged preference for Trump, despite lacking supporting evidence. The whistleblower was removed from email distributions after questioning contradictions and later learned the Steele Dossier influenced the 2017 ICA, contradicting official denials. They raised concerns with the IC Inspector General but faced dismissal, and their 2022 outreach to Durham yielded no follow-up.
These revelations, per ODNI and CIA statements, demonstrate a "coordinated plan" between the Clinton campaign and Obama administration to interfere in the election and destroy Trump's presidency, including possible domestic surveillance and politicization of intelligence. Senator Chuck Grassley highlighted the documents as shedding light on the "fake Trump-Russia narrative" pushed for Clinton's gain. Director Gabbard issued a criminal referral to the Justice Department, leading to a strike force investigation, though Obama has denied wrongdoing.
Counterpoints and Context
Skeptics, including Democrats like Rep. Jim Himes and Sen. Mark Warner, dismiss the declassifications as "politically motivated nonsense" and an attempt to rewrite history, noting they do not contradict the 2017 ICA's core conclusion that Putin ordered an influence campaign to harm Hillary Clinton and boost Trump via disinformation and hacks (not vote tampering). A CIA review under former Director John Ratcliffe found the assessment "defensible," and Obama officials never claimed widespread vote hacking—focusing instead on psychological operations. The documents primarily implicate mid-level officials like Brennan and Clapper in execution, with Obama's role limited to high-level tasking rather than proven personal fabrication.
In summary, while the documents provide previously undisclosed details suggesting Obama administration orchestration of the Russia narrative, they do not offer irrefutable proof of a personal "hoax" by Obama himself, and interpretations remain sharply divided along partisan lines. Further developments from the Justice Department's probe could clarify this.

And breathe……….
 

Toshiba Boy

New Member
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Apologies if posted before (although well worth posting again anyway).
 

Psamathe

Guru
More lies or just fallen for a scam?
Trump brags of ‘massive’ oil deal in Pakistan – but drilling has not found any
In July, Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social that “we have just concluded a Deal with the Country of Pakistan, whereby Pakistan and the United States will work together on developing their massive Oil Reserves.
...
Moin Raza Khan, a geoscientist and former managing director at Pakistan Petroleum Limited (PPL), which has been at the forefront of oil exploration, said: “What Trump is claiming about Pakistan’s massive oil reserves has nothing to do with reality. It is without the support of any data or evidence. We don’t even know where these massive reserves would be, as we don’t have any surveys and studies so far that show us.”

Khan was among the experts who emphasised that despite more than half a century of exploration and drilling onshore and offshore, no large-scale commercially viable oil wells had been discovered on Pakistani soil.
...
 

icowden

Shaman
This is hilarious:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/25/trump-epstein-statue-dc-removed

This is alarming for many reasons:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/26/politics/hegseth-generals-meeting-warrior-ethos
and has absolutely no parallels with
On March 3, 1941, Hitler summoned the entire military leadership to hear a secret speech about the upcoming Operation Barbarossa in which Hitler stressed that Barbarossa was to be a "war of extermination", that the German military was to disregard all the laws of war, and that he both expected and wanted to see the deaths of millions of people.[48] With the exception of Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, who protested that this was both morally and legally wrong, none of the officers who heard Hitler's speech voiced any objections.[48]
 
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