Donald I, emperor of the world.
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Other than being born into money? I.e. blind luck.
BoldonLad
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Give the guy a chance, we can’t all be perfect 😂
You're making the mistake of thinking I'm a Trump fanboi. The point being that I'm not attempting to deflect from his many failings or to absolve him of any blame, I'm just interested in why he generates quite so much hate amongst his detractors when he's just the latest in a wide field of hopeless American presidents who were personally flawed, did morally repugnant acts in their public and private lives, and were ill equipped for high office. I mean I'm happy to concede the point being made in the above link, but do you really think that George W Bush was a military genius for instance? And if I'm to be accused of Whataboutery for saying this, then in a two horse race for who becomes president how else can the people decide if not by whataboutery? Both candidates set out their policies and they then spend the weeks and months before the election engaging in endless whataboutery should the other guys policies be enacted. Wouldn't it be more honest of you to just admit that you really, really hated Donald Trump so much that you were prepared to ignore Joe Biden's catastrophic cognitive decline and have a man with advanced dementia installed as president and not worry too much about who was really running the country behind the scenes?
Pblakeney
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Pinno718
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Why do we have to re-iterate the point? Why are you re-iterating the point?
You posted a very similar point a few pages ago. You got replies and reasons.
I'll refer to those previous posts.
Pblakeney
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Trump isn't far off that stage now (he is already filling his pants), and still has 3-1/2 years to go.
Also, Biden wasn't in the election.
Is that whataboutery? Asking for a friend.
Because Trumpet man raised the matter again with his reference to dead presidents. Props for the shorter than usual post though 👍
BoldonLad
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Most of the threads on on this forum are just repeating the same old stuff (think Brexit for example), why should this one be different?
Pinno718
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The cabinet he assembled seem to run the country - despite Biden's impairments and were running the country in accordance with the constitution and the economy was doing quite well.
The 3 pillars of govt, was intact and not being actively dismantled.
Also, Biden endorsed the Paris climate accord and was subsidising various environmentally beneficial projects and policies. Trump is going back to coal and oil (or at least, he thinks he is).
Biden was surrounded by good advisors. Trump isn't. Trump is surrounded by sycophants and hasn't got a clue.
No President has actively sought to dismantle the constitution. It has been the cornerstone of the US. Trump is the vessel: the distractor, the malleable fool who can front the desk whilst Project 2025 does it's thing. He had to become president because of the encroaching tidal wave, He has to stay there or other things might just catch up on him if he isn't able to sit on those things.
Mostly because of reasons I think.
Pinno718
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I describe my POV with reasons and argument. Sometimes, they require a back drop.
I had to summarise a lot of the previous conversation (which incidentally mirrored stuff we discussed on BR) because you jumped in belatedly.
FWIW: I do not think there has been a US president who has created so much upheaval in such a short period of time or that has made such a negative impact both domestically and internationally.
Stevo 666
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It's so ferkin obvious that no admission is needed.
