Donald I, emperor of the world.

[Rusty Nails]

Two points here:

That specific report is not 'just reporting what happened': he's relishing the spectacle e.g.

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And there's no hint anywhere that anything Trump said might be misleading, despite noting that it "cited similar statistics" (which could easily have been caveated with "many which have been proven as misleading") . A journalist's job should imply some sort of fact-checking: if Rupert Lowe said "Keir Starmer is a paedophile", to report that with no push-back would be gross negligence.

That he's relishing the spectacle is irrelevant. That is his personality and his right.

There shouldn't be hints that what he's saying "might" be misleading until the verification has taken place - which it did fairly promptly.

I believe you are letting your quite understandable contempt for Trump make you want unnecessary caveats to everything he has said, when the same is not demanded of other politicians. The only proper solution would be a trigger warning that what has been said might contain lies/exaggerations with reports of all politicians...because they virtually all do it...at different levels.

If people want to believe Trump then they will, despite those caveats, until verifiable untruths and exaggerations are printed.

 

[CXRAndy]

Democrats wouldn't even stand to acknowledged their shame for the parents of the murdered young woman by the illegal immigrant set free by the Democrats


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[briantrumpet]

That he's relishing the spectacle is irrelevant. That is his personality and his right.

There shouldn't be hints that what he's saying "might" be misleading until the verification has taken place - which it did fairly promptly.

I believe you are letting your quite understandable contempt for Trump make you want unnecessary caveats to everything he has said, when the same is not demanded of other politicians. The only proper solution would be a trigger warning that what has been said might contain lies/exaggerations with reports of all politicians...because they virtually all do it...at different levels.

If people want to believe Trump then they will, despite those caveats, until verifiable untruths and exaggerations are printed.

We're going to disagree on this, as we obviously have different views of what journalism involves.

 

[CXRAndy]

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[briantrumpet]

We're going to disagree on this, as we obviously have different views of what journalism involves.

FWIW, I would equally expect a fact-check in a report of Starmer (or anyone else I might be sympathetic to) if he made an easily verifiable false claim (or something potentially libellous). It really is the job of a journalist not to report lies by anyone without checking before publication, *especially* if the person in question has a history of making false claims.

 

[Rusty Nails]

FWIW, I would equally expect a fact-check in a report of Starmer (or anyone else I might be sympathetic to) if he made an easily verifiable false claim (or something potentially libellous). It really is the job of a journalist not to report lies by anyone without checking before publication, *especially* if the person in question has a history of making false claims.

I thought we'd agreed to disagree, not coming back for more!

 

[TailWindHome]

Is deflation not considered to be a problem?

 

[CXRAndy]

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[Dorset Boy]

Is deflation not considered to be a problem?

Yes it is for not essential purchases, because consumers then defer making those purchases as they expect the price to fall.
However a fall in the price of essential items can be a good thing as the daily cost of living falls, leaving greater disposable income.
Dementia D probably meant a fall in the rate of inflation.

 

[Pinno718]

Have a think!

It's not an opinion column - hence the "anodyne" nature of the primary report.

With the combination of reporting "verbatim" and BBC Verify, you get what was said and what the verifiable truth is. Either in isolation will tell you one of what was said (is it wise to take this as read?), or a list of verifiable "facts" on the US. The way this has been reported using both exposes a certain amount of BS on the part of the president - I would say that's better journalism

So the main news that many see is 'an event [insert name of event]'. That's it?
If there are blatant contradictions, it should be reported.
Opinion is one thing, truths - and in Trumps case: the wars he claims to have stopped, the slants at Somali's, the 'sanctuary cities', the economy etc etc etc is all bollox and needs to be pointed out at source. Not in some spin off news broadcast.

 

[laurentian]

So the main news that many see is 'an event [insert name of event]'. That's it?

Exactly the point I was making in the original post

If there are blatant contradictions, it should be reported.

As they are in the Verify section

Opinion is one thing, truths - and in Trumps case: the wars he claims to have stopped, the slants at Somali's, the 'sanctuary cities', the economy etc etc etc is all bollox and needs to be pointed out at source.

They are in the Verify article

Not in some spin off news broadcast.

The verify article is literally embedded in the reporting of the speech on the BBC News website

 

[icowden]

Opinion is one thing, truths - and in Trumps case: the wars he claims to have stopped, the slants at Somali's, the 'sanctuary cities', the economy etc etc etc is all bollox and needs to be pointed out at source. Not in some spin off news broadcast.

I think everyone is aware that Trump is a synonym for Liar. See also Boris.

 

[BoldonLad]

No. The same report should give context, even if it's just "Lowe offered no corroborating evidence for his claim", if there was none. If there was evidence offered, then it should be checked. That is literally a journalist's job.

That may be true of an Investigative Journalist (if we still have such people) but, to do as your suggest, wouldn't every utterance (particularly by Politicians or PR people) reported by a Journalist have to include a "no corroborating evidence" statement?

oops, have caught up some more, I see that Rusty has more or less beat me to it 😊

 

[Beebo]

I think everyone is aware that Trump is a synonym for Liar. See also Boris.

The thing about Boris is you can’t lie in parliament.
There doesn’t seem to be any sanction for lying in the US.

 

[Pinno718]

"If you took all of the truth in his [Trump's] speech and tattooed it on the genitalia of a flea, it would still leave room for the Gettysburg address".

David Rothkopf.