Pinno718
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They can frame comments as such "Despite no corroborating evidence, Trump said... ".
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They can frame comments as such "Despite no corroborating evidence, Trump said... ".
BoldonLad
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I agree, but, I was not fixating on Trump, I was saying that it would be necessary to include such a qualifier for every Polictians utterances.
briantrumpet
Pharaoh
I'd suggest that prominence of the person making a statement, their history of fibbing, and outrageousness of claims being made would influence the amount of fact-checking required. A back-bencher saying something about the bus service in their constituency is rather less consequential than the leader of a major nation fibbing, though I'd not trust a journalist who wasn't prepared to do basic checking on the stories they publish, whether it's about nuclear war or bus services.
CXRAndy
Epic Member
After the speech Trumps popularity jumps to 64% approval
The Democrats have shown themselves not to care about US citizens on a clear visual request to stand up.
View: https://x.com/i/status/2026715195561685035
The Democrats have shown themselves not to care about US citizens on a clear visual request to stand up.
View: https://x.com/i/status/2026715195561685035
BoldonLad
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I have no experience of working "in the media" but, aren't stories checked by the legal team, before publication, in order to avoid legal action (unless they are Ian Hislop 😊), quite how this is dealt with for live broadcasts, I have no idea.
In the sort of example which started this discussion, isn't the journalist simply reporting what was actually said?, rather than interpreting and/or analysing the utterances?
briantrumpet
Pharaoh
To a degree, if you cut out all the added 'ambiance', but my point is that that is not sufficient with an known liar who is repeating lies that have been previously fact-checked.
I've quoted him before, but Jonathan Swift had the measure of people like Trump 250 years before the immediacy of social media and 24-hour news:
"Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect"
Pinno718
Guru
Every politician is a liar?
icowden
Pharaoh
Beebo
Guru
Pinno718
Guru
ITV News on the SOTU speech in contrast was absolutely packed:
"At times, it was more like a game show than a speech to congress..."
"The president sought to create a divisive viral moment that would be played out on social media".
"On his most incendiary points about arrests and mass deportations, someone in the audience reminded him of the 2 people who were killed..."
"...but the whole Trump brand remains fiercely divisive..."
"It was always going to be that polarised reaction to his speech. Trumps ability to re-invent himself severely limited."
"As he left the Whitehouse tonight, only a surge in the economy can save him from a bruising defeat in the November mid term elections"
None of that anodyne shyte. Don't give me the bollox caveat 'it was in verify'.
"At times, it was more like a game show than a speech to congress..."
"The president sought to create a divisive viral moment that would be played out on social media".
"On his most incendiary points about arrests and mass deportations, someone in the audience reminded him of the 2 people who were killed..."
"...but the whole Trump brand remains fiercely divisive..."
"It was always going to be that polarised reaction to his speech. Trumps ability to re-invent himself severely limited."
"As he left the Whitehouse tonight, only a surge in the economy can save him from a bruising defeat in the November mid term elections"
None of that anodyne shyte. Don't give me the bollox caveat 'it was in verify'.
briantrumpet
Pharaoh
The story's made it to the NYT...
Pinno718
Guru
Pblakeney
Legendary Member
Is anyone surprised in the slightest?
