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[TailWindHome]

You'd have to ask a Labour supporter who wants the party stand up for itself.

Rayner would be my preference of the pair I suppose, if only because the number of times the picture of Milliband eating a bacon roll would get dredged up would be very tedious, very quickly.

We would find out how chaos under miliband compares to all this

 

[TailWindHome]

Of course. If someone in NCAP says that this government is right wing then it will be better received by the audience here than if the same view was expressed in my local pub where it would be met with incredulity. Playing to the gallery is easy and NCAP no more reflects wider public opinion than does my boozer. Its important to remember that when working out which ideas have merit and why it's a very good thing to have the odd dissenting voice.

Oftentimes the dissenting voice is just bollocks though. Important to remember that too.

 

[Shortfall]

Oftentimes the dissenting voice is just bollocks though. Important to remember that too.

As can be the received wisdom and the settled view of the majority.

 

[TailWindHome]

As can be the received wisdom and the settled view of the majority.

Of course.
Lots of people agreeing something doesn't make it correct
And something being 'an opinion' gives it no additional validity

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Starter for 10: What the f*CK is left wing about Starmer?
I know magaworld is post truth but repeating some garbage you read in the Telegraph doesn't make it true.

 

[CXRAndy]

Thats why some call Starmer right wing. Im a moderate, but now classed far right

 

[TailWindHome]

Thats why some call Starmer right wing. Im a moderate, but now classed far right

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You're not moderate
You're a terrorist sympathiser
We agreed that

 

[Shortfall]

Starter for 10: What the f*CK is left wing about Starmer?
I know magaworld is post truth but repeating some garbage you read in the Telegraph doesn't make it true.

Putting up taxes massively?
Dishing out borrowed money to pay for public sector wage rises without any reforms or increases in productivity?
Crippling the private sector by making it more expensive to employ people?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Thats why some call Starmer right wing. Im a moderate, but now classed far right

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It's usual to at least label the axes* on a graph.
* not Axis - nothing to do with the Nazis, so don't get too excited.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Putting up taxes massively?
Dishing out borrowed money to pay for public sector wage rises without any reforms of increases in productivity?
Crippling the private sector by making it more expensive to employ people?

Do you want to back some of that up?
Here's a start. Ok slightly out of date, but you get the gist.
https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/06/27/uk-workers-tax-wedge-infographics/

You might want to look also at income inequality, the NHS, pensions etc.

 

[CXRAndy]

You're not moderate
You're a terrorist sympathiser
We agreed that

Then vast majority of the UK are the same. Starmer said we were all far right thugs

 

[TailWindHome]

Then vast majority of the UK are the same. Starmer said we were all far right thugs

The vast majority aren't the same

You're confusing the real world and your twitter feed

 

[Shortfall]

Do you want to back some of that up?
Here's a start. Ok slightly out of date, but you get the gist.
https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/06/27/uk-workers-tax-wedge-infographics/

You might want to look also at income inequality, the NHS, pensions etc.

You asked me for evidence that Starmer was left wing so I gave some examples. We can argue about who is paying the extra taxes but I don't think there's any debate that they are at their highest levels since the war.

 

[Ian H]

You asked me for evidence that Starmer was left wing so I gave some examples. We can argue about who is paying the extra taxes but I don't think there's any debate that they are at their highest levels since the war.

UK tax revenue is below the average of other developed economies. The UK stands out as raising less from social security contributions.
https://ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationally

 

[Shortfall]

UK tax revenue is below the average of other developed economies. The UK stands out as raising less from social security contributions.
https://ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationally

Sure, some countries have higher taxes. They might also have better public services to show for it. Are UK taxes higher than they have ever been? Is this tax burden delivering better services for the public?