TailWindHome
Über Member
You've already decided that when he was told Mandy had passed vetting he asked to see the documents, read that he'd failed vetting , decided to say nothing and lied to parliament.
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You've already decided that when he was told Mandy had passed vetting he asked to see the documents, read that he'd failed vetting , decided to say nothing and lied to parliament.
Do you believe Starmer's version of events?
I find it almost impossible to believe that he didn't know that he'd failed vetting. Remember this whole saga has been characterised by delays, deceit and dishonesty. The government knew exactly what kind of a person Mandelson was, they used the dubious defence of "sub judice" as an excuse to withhold vital documents demanded by The Humble Address. Then the mobile phone of the PMs Chief of Staff containing sensitive texts, Whatsapps and emails pertaining to the case was reported stolen in what is a barely believable tale. I mean seriously? My children have told more convincing lies when they've raided the biscuit tin.
TailWindHome
Über Member
I don't find them unbelievable.
And they're entirely consistent with previous knowledge as to the failings of Starmer as a leader
Remember the key charge, 'he ain't driving'
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
I'll restate my belief. He knew. And if he didn't know he should have.
Actually scrub the last bit, he's lying.
Actually scrub the last bit, he's lying.
That sounds like a politician's answer. Do YOU believe Starmer's version of events?
CXRAndy
Epic Member
Given all that has happened during starmers reign, it doesn't matter what they try and spin
The court of public opinion will be meted out soon
TailWindHome
Über Member
I'm content with the answer I've given
TailWindHome
Über Member
Keep an eye out today for lots of 'I'm no fan of Olly Robbins, but....'
I'm sure you are, it means you're not a hostage to fortune and you can turn round an d say that whilst you believed his version of events to be plausible on the basis that he's not a very good politician, you never actually said that you believed him.
CXRAndy
Epic Member
I post stuff about Donald Trump on the err... the Donald Trump thread which is about err... Donald Trump.
His decision to bomb Iran as Netanyahu's dutiful puppy dog has resulted in the blockade in the Hormuz Strait which is leading to global financial pain.
He's caused a rift in NATO.
He prefers Putin over Zelensky.
His inexplicable tariffs has caused huge headaches (not least in the US).
He is breaking long held alliances and in the process, handing over more power to China and India which is also isolating the US.
He supported Orban - the Trojan horse in the EU, Putin's mate and the man vetoing sanctions on Russia and loans to Ukraine.
He's pulled US funding for Ukraine (even though it was approved constitutionally by congress). Putin is a threat to Europe (although that threat is diminishing rapidly).
Under his administration, he's built detention centres where people are being treated inhumanly. US citizens have been murdered and he's deporting people without due process and sending them to prisons in foreign countries at both immense human and financial cost.
On top of that, he's grifting like no other on a scale that is often incomprehensible.
There is every indication that he is covering up for a cabal of billionaire paedophiles (and murderers).
He's pardoned innumerable criminals (iro 1600+).
He has given tax breaks for the super wealthy and whilst waging an illegal war on Iran costing $billions, has withdrawn food stamps (SNAP) affecting 42m children and health care costs have soared.
Never mind the stagnation in growth and rising unemployment - 'when the US sneezes, the world catches a cold'.
Never mind handing the baton to the insidious ambitions of the likes of Musk and Thiel and Zuckerberg who collectively (and sometimes openly) support the idea of a Technocracy over democracy.
But that's okay, you can dismiss my concerns as 'obsessive' and you can dismiss all of the above because my sources are questionable. Categorically and unequivocally refute any of the above. Be my guest.
And I am definitely not your 'mate'.
Look pal, I can say with great confidence you're suffering from
Trump derangement syndrome.
Which is rather comical to see
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TailWindHome
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Pblakeney
Legendary Member
No.
You are supposed to pick a side, nail your flag to that post, and support it regardless of facts.
That's perfectly reasonable but we're all (or most of us) anonymous avatars on here so I don't understand your reluctance to express an opinion, unless it's only because you don't want lose face at some point in the future if (when) the PM eventually falls on his sword. I notice you liked a post by Bobsmyuncle above where he says that he thinks Starmer is lying which seems at odds with your replies to me.