Nicola Sturgeon Arrested

[icowden]

The blood of your ancestors has to have nourished an ancient tree.

I speak here as a genetic Scot. The blood of my ancestors runs back to Clan Douglas. I've been to Scotland several times :-)

 

[AndyRM]

I left when I was 50, and I was paying about £70k a year income tax for several years. I bought three houses while I was up there and helped to justify a team of about 10 people employed there, who I still work with.

You do realise that all of the abuse is illustrating exactly my point?

Abuse?

Get a grip.

None my end.

 

[briantrumpet]

Abuse?

Get a grip.

None my end.

As a disinterested bystander, does "c*nt" count?

 

[First Aspect]

As a disinterested bystander, does "c*nt" count?

It's a term of endearment in Glasgow.

 

[briantrumpet]

It's a term of endearment in Glasgow.

I guess it all depends on the cuntext.

 

[Shortfall]

So much wrong here
1. If it was a 7 hour interview, then that would be oppresive and as such would not be admissible in evidence

2. You claim to support the right of silence- yet you are trying to make some wierd contradictory point that apparently someone you seem to have a problem with should not be entitled to the right of silence

3. She did co-operate with the enquiry. She attended the police interviews etc.
4. Everyone in the law in the UK has the right of silence and the right against self- incrimination. Notice that word RIGHT - its not an option of silence or a chance of silence, it is a fundamental human right [ exception being a S2 CJA 1987 interview conducted by the SFO]

I have no time for Nicola Sturgeon at all and personally am glad to see the back of her in politics, but she has same rights as every other person and to exercise those rights is not refusing to co-operate

There is no contradiction in me believing in the right to remain silent and me also questioning Nicola Sturgeon choosing to exercise that right having previously suggesting she would cooperate fully. I think you're dancing on the head of a pin if you're claiming that to cooperate fully means simply turning up for an interview as requested but then refusing to answer any questions. I arrive at this view in the context of having read about and seeing her attempts to frustrate investigations into party finances (you are aware of the video doing the doing the rounds of her doing exactly this?). So yes she has every right to follow her legal advice and say nothing and I have every right to question her motive. There is no contradiction here.

 

[AndyRM]

Awright ya c*nt.

Awright pal?

Awright ya bastird?

Awright ya prick?

All perfectly reasonable terms in Scotland.

Anyway, enough of this.

Murrell, an arsepiece, yes?

 

[First Aspect]

I suffer from a condition called "other people's accents". I didn't acquire an accent from my parents other than a tendence to copy my dad's flat "a" sounds for Bath (to rhyme with lath or math) etc. I also went to Drama school where I didn't have to do very much to achieve an RP accent compared to many of my peers.

However, if I am talking to someone, I will, over a short period of time, start to acquire aspects of their accent. My family get very annoyed with this when I'm on holiday - unless we are in France where I *sound* pretty much native, which can come in quite handy. My grammar isn't great - which gives the game away.

Fun anecdote:
Coming back from a mini break to Disney last year, we saw an exhausted Alex Brooker pushing his wife - who at the time was in a wheelchair (I think due to an injury). As we got towards the departure gate he was trying to get through a door, so I popped over and held it for him. As he came through one of the staff thanked me in French, so I just replied "ca fait rien Monsieur" (effectively - don't worry about it or no problem). Alex then also tried to thank me in French and was somewhat bemused when I replied - "oh - it's OK I'm English mate - have a good flight!"

Steve McLaren suffered from this condition.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Wow, AndyRM knows a number of swear words. And no doubt thinks he's big and clever using them against people who don't share his personal view.

 

[Shortfall]

I can't speak for anyone else but in the main it may be the full written statement she subsequently submitted, added to the fact that if the police inform you that 'you have the right to remain silent' - then remaining silent is fully cooperating with them. Although your assertion that you "do actually support the right to remain silent, but..." would quite strongly suggest that you might wonder if this should be a selective 'right'.

To be clear I'm not any particular fan of NS, or any other politician, for that matter - her broad political aims & those of the party she formerly led align with mine, and as FM she did a demonstrably better job of leading a country than any of her Westminster contemporaries could ever hope.

The level of hostility, disgust & disdain she provokes in some, simply by existing, is however off the fucking scale to the level of incomprehensibility, and I'm increasingly convinced sexism every bit is as close to the surface in this discourse as racism has shown itself to be elsewhere - even among some who would like to tell themselves they're on the Left. Take a moment to have a fucking look at yourselves while you rabidly try to blame a woman for the criminality of a man.

I mean you can call this whataboutery if you want but if you want to see real misogyny and sexism on these boards then take a look at some of the stuff aimed at Liz Truss, Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch. For my own part I thought Sturgeon was a pretty hateful person for a variety of reasons, none of which was her gender. She was a shrewd politician and I'll give her props for that but I'm not going to apologise for criticising her on policy and questioning her apparent incuriousness about her husband's extravagant spending and the source of it.

 

[spen666]

There is no contradiction in me believing in the right to remain silent and me also questioning Nicola Sturgeon choosing to exercise that right having previously suggesting she would cooperate fully. I think you're dancing on the head of a pin if you're claiming that to cooperate fully means simply turning up for an interview as requested but then refuse to answer any questions. I arrive at this view in the context of having read about and seeing her attempts to frustrate investigations into party finances (you are aware of the video doing the doing the rounds of her doing exactly this?). So yes she has every right to follow her legal advice and say nothing and I have every right to question her motive. There is no contradiction here.

To cooperate does not mean giving up your legal rights

Your views are completely contradictory in you say you support the right of silence then criticise someone for exercising that right
Its innocent until proven guilty and everyone has the right against self incrimination

 

[briantrumpet]

I mean you can call this whataboutery if you want but if you want to see real misogyny and sexism on these boards then take a look at some of the stuff aimed at Liz Truss, Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch.

OT, but you could add in Rachel Reeves and Angela Rayner.

 

[Shortfall]

To cooperate does not mean giving up your legal rights

Your views are completely contradictory in you say you support the right of silence then criticise someone for exercising that right
Its innocent until proven guilty and everyone has the right against self incrimination

I'm not criticising everyone for exercising their right to silence, I'm questioning why someone who said they would cooperate fully with the police would exercise it, particularly if that person was also on public record as having warned people in her own party not to question the party's finances when there had been accusations of corruption.
Anyway, you have your view, I don't intend to go back and forth over this.

 

[Shortfall]

OT, but you could add in Rachel Reeves and Angela Rayner.

Yes

 

[spen666]

I'm not criticising everyone for exercising their right to silence, I'm questioning why someone who said they would cooperate fully with the police would exercise it, particularly if that person was also on public record as having warned people in her own party not to question the party's finances when there had been accusations of corruption.
Anyway, you have your view, I don't intend to go back and forth over this.

You are spinning like a top trying to argue your completely contradictory statements are not contradictory.Everyone has a right of silence and a right against self incrimination


To exercise those rights is not refusing to cooperate with the police







its interesting how you keep trying to bring in internal party political matters to the issue which was did she co operate with the police.

The facts are she did co operate with the police



What she did in relation to internal party investigations is irrelevant in deciding if she did or did not cooperate with the police