Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[briantrumpet]

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The thing is that certain people seem to think that dodging tax is a mark of honour.

 

[CXRAndy]

The thing is that certain people seem to think that dodging tax is a mark of honour.

When there is so much waste, mismanagement, and downright offensive spending of the tax revenue of the citizens.

Avoiding as much tax as possible is as much an honour as those think of fighting for a worthy cause

 

[Stevo 666]

The thing is that certain people seem to think that dodging tax is a mark of honour.

When the government of the day sees fit to impose a tax burden that people see as excessive, do not be surprised when those people exercise their legal right to reduce that tax burden.

 

[Mr Celine]

I avoid tax by choosing to earn less.

 

[Beebo]

When the government of the day sees fit to impose a tax burden that people see as excessive, do not be surprised when those people exercise their legal right to reduce that tax burden.

Poor attempt at justification.
People like Tice would avoid it even if it was lower.

 

[CXRAndy]

Poor attempt at justification.
People like Tice would avoid it even if it was lower.

Yes, why not.

Government, especially labour piss our money away

 

[Stevo 666]

Poor attempt at justification.
People like Tice would avoid it even if it was lower.

I'm talking about people generally. Which part of my statement do you disagree with?

 

[icowden]

I'm talking about people generally. Which part of my statement do you disagree with?

Can I guess at all of it?

Here' some data from March 2025

The poll, by YouGov on behalf of Oxfam and published on the eve of the Spring Statement, clearly shows that people across the UK strongly back action on wealth inequality:

• 77 per cent - would rather the UK Government increase taxes on the very richest to improve public finances than see cuts to public spending
• 78 per cent support introducing a 2 per cent wealth tax on net assets worth more than £10 million
• 67 per cent - think that the very richest people in the UK should pay more in tax

And from November 2025 (Yougov)

Labour, Lib Dem or Green voters are the most open to any increase in the basic rate, with 33-36% of them supporting an increase of 1p, compared to 25% of those who backed the Conservatives last year and 15% who voted for Reform UK. However, even with this smaller increase, at least a majority (54%) of any party’s voters are opposed to a hike.

Larger increases are less popular across the board. Only 18-19% of Labour, Lib Dem or Green voters would support a 5p increase in the basic rate, alongside 11% of Conservatives and 6% of Reform UK voters.

And live data:
https://yougov.com/en-gb/trackers/are-taxes-on-the-rich-too-high-or-low-in-britain

Currently 54% think the rich should pay more tax, 9% think they should pay less tax.

I can't find any data to support your contention that any significant number of people think the tax burden in the UK is excessive, but loads suggesting that daffodils like Tice should pay their fair share.

 

[briantrumpet]

Can I guess at all of it?

Here' some data from March 2025


And from November 2025 (Yougov)


And live data:
https://yougov.com/en-gb/trackers/are-taxes-on-the-rich-too-high-or-low-in-britain

Currently 54% think the rich should pay more tax, 9% think they should pay less tax.

I can't find any data to support your contention that any significant number of people think the tax burden in the UK is excessive, but loads suggesting that daffodils like Tice should pay their fair share.

Of course, that people like Tice's aggressive efforts to avoid tax winds up the libs is the icing on the cake, quite apart from the heroic efforts to avoid paying tax.

 

[CXRAndy]

The Parable of the 10 Men in a Bar" or "The Taxation Parable

Ten friends go to a bar for drinks every day, and their total bill comes to $100. If they paid according to a progressive tax system, the payments would break down as follows:
The Wealth Navigator
The Wealth Navigator
The first 4 (poorest): Pay nothing.
The 5th: Pays $1.
The 6th: Pays $3.
The 7th: Pays $7.
The 8th: Pays $12.
The 9th: Pays $18.
The 10th (richest): Pays $59.

The Twist
The 10 men are happy with this arrangement, until one day the bartender (representing the government) offers a reduction of $20. The new bill is $80.

The Conflict
The group decides to divide the $20 savings in a way that mimics their tax structure.
The first four still pay nothing.
However, the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th man now feel they are getting almost nothing back from the savings, while the richest man (the 10th) is saving a massive amount in comparison.
The poor friends become outraged, leading them to beat up the richest friend because they perceive his benefit to be unjust.

The Lesson
The following week, the richest man does not return. When the remaining nine friends go to pay their bill, they find they do not have enough money combined to pay even half of the total bill.

The story is used to argue that if you tax the wealthiest too heavily, they may leave, leaving the rest of society struggling to cover the costs of public services.

 

[BoldonLad]

Can I guess at all of it?

Here' some data from March 2025


And from November 2025 (Yougov)


And live data:
https://yougov.com/en-gb/trackers/are-taxes-on-the-rich-too-high-or-low-in-britain

Currently 54% think the rich should pay more tax, 9% think they should pay less tax.

I can't find any data to support your contention that any significant number of people think the tax burden in the UK is excessive, but loads suggesting that daffodils like Tice should pay their fair share.

1. A "poll" is not "facts", otherwise, why not invite McSweeney back?

2. I am amazed that only 54% think "the rich" should pay more tax, presumably, the 46% recognise the reality that they ARE the "rich"

3. Thinking that "other people" should pay more tax is not a recommendation

 

[icowden]

2. I am amazed that only 54% think "the rich" should pay more tax, presumably, the 46% recognise the reality that they ARE the "rich"

9% are the rich. The rest either don't know, or think current taxation is about right.

 

[icowden]

3. Thinking that "other people" should pay more tax is not a recommendation

I didn't say that it was. What I said was that I could find evidence suggesting that people think the rich should cough up a bit more, but nothing suggesting that people think the current taxation is excessive.

 

[BoldonLad]

9% are the rich. The rest either don't know, or think current taxation is about right.

You know that how?

 

[BoldonLad]

I didn't say that it was. What I said was that I could find evidence suggesting that people think the rich should cough up a bit more, but nothing suggesting that people think the current taxation is excessive.

You quoted a Poll.