Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Beebo]

The leader of Kent County Council has been caught in a vaccine denial controversy.

With the meningitis outbreak on her patch. She is now advocating urgent vaccination for all Kent Students whilst previously parroting the usual Reform anti Covid vaccination nonsense.

 

[Stevo 666]

There's no "misconception". I think everyone on here understands that, if you can afford to do so, there are legal ways to avoid paying tax (tax that would, after all, go to the exchequer if there were not active measures taken to not do so).

The issue here is that we have an individual with an estimated worth of £40 million who has taken measures to ensure that £600k in corporation tax has not gone into the exchequer that it otherwise would. I doubt that this is the only tax avoidance measure Tice has taken.

Now, some people are, in my opinion, justifiably irked when the likes of Amazon etc. avoid paying tax on UK sales but the likes of Amazon are not running for office or pretending to have the country's best interest at heart.

That's the problem - do you get it?

If what is happening is legal, then it's your problem. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant.

 

[Stevo 666]

Yet you cannot see it. Rayner, to the best of her knowledge legally minimised the amount of Stamp duty she had to pay.
There has been no criminal case. HMRC are not investigating. She has not been required to pay any further money.

So she's the same as Tice isn't she?

It's almost like you have some sort of problem with gobby ginger single mothers who have a different political viewpoint to your own.

Nothing about the investigation being concluded then? Because it hasn't. Labour only called for an investigation a few days ago.

And no, Rayner did not legally minimise the tax she had to pay. If that were the case, why is she now having to pay it?

 

[Stevo 666]

She's also not really rich enough to be entitled to use legal tax avoidance schemes, they're not intended for the likes of her to save a few grand and she needs to learn her place. If everyone started doing that sort of thing the Government would clamp down and all those multi-millionaires / billionaires might lose access to their weezes to avoid hundreds of thousands or millions in tax.

You sound a bit chippy about it all. Stands to reason that if you don't pay much tax then you don't need to do much tax planning.

 

[laurentian]

If what is happening is legal, then it's your problem. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant.

Ah right.

You don't get it.

 

[Stevo 666]

Ah right.

You don't get it.

It's your perceived issue. What are you going to about it?

 

[icowden]

Nothing about the investigation being concluded then? Because it hasn't. Labour only called for an investigation a few days ago.
And no, Rayner did not legally minimise the tax she had to pay. If that were the case, why is she now having to pay it?

Mea culpa. I was in a hurry and looked at an AI summary and it neglected to mention that despite HMRC have not asked for the cash yet, so she doesn't have to pay it.

And you are right, she did not legally minimise the tax she had to pay. She made a genuine error based on legal advice she received at the time, but the financial arrangements around her son's Trust are complex and involve deeming provisions.

Rayner stated: "When purchasing the property my understanding, on advice from lawyers, was that my circumstances meant I was liable for the standard rate of stamp duty." She said that she had subsequently sought further advice from a leading tax counsel following media scrutiny and learned that "the application of complex deeming provisions which relate to my son's trust gives rise to additional stamp duty liabilities."[5] Tax experts explained that even if you own no other property, a deeming rule can apply if there is a trust in favour of children under the age of 18 such that each parent is deemed to own that property for stamp duty purposes

Hence HMRC are investigating and determining whether she needs to pay the additional £40k or not.

Tice on the other hand deliberately avoided paying £600k in tax. Because he's a true patriot.

 

[laurentian]

It's your perceived issue. What are you going to about it?

Nothing. I'm happy with my perception.

It's the avoidance of tax by a multimillionaire "patriot" claiming to have the nation's best interests at heart that I'm not happy with and no amount of carping about how it's "legal" will change that.

 

[CXRAndy]

Mea culpa. I was in a hurry and looked at an AI summary and it neglected to mention that despite HMRC have not asked for the cash yet, so she doesn't have to pay it.

And you are right, she did not legally minimise the tax she had to pay. She made a genuine error based on legal advice she received at the time, but the financial arrangements around her son's Trust are complex and involve deeming provisions.


Hence HMRC are investigating and determining whether she needs to pay the additional £40k or not.

Tice on the other hand deliberately avoided paying £600k in tax. Because he's a true patriot.

The tax is due, it's the penalties and interest they are deliberating over.

 

[TailWindHome]

Reading between the lines it's sorted but not public.
She can't run for leader without this being sorted
She opened fire yesterday....

 

[Beebo]

Nothing. I'm happy with my perception.

It's the avoidance of tax by a multimillionaire "patriot" claiming to have the nation's best interests at heart that I'm not happy with and no amount of carping about how it's "legal" will change that.

I was thinking the same thing.
The average Clacton-on-Sea resident has an income of £30k. They are expected to vote for Farage and Tice, both of whom are avoiding taxes well in excess of anything they will ever earn.
It’s bonkers. Rich people should pay their fair percentage of tax, not the legal minimum.

 

[CXRAndy]

people should pay their fair

legal minimum.

percentage of tax

That includes you.

If you're stupid enough to pay more feel free.

Example- when you're fuel bill for your car is £45. Do you pay £60?

 

[briantrumpet]

Stevo's on the side of the downtrodden multi-millionnaires, if you've not yet twigged. Goodness knows how he'd deal with a billionaire tax avoider who was left wing, female, and had ginger hair.

Oh, silly me, of course I do. She'd be a hypocrite.

 

[CXRAndy]

There is no billionaire that exists with those credentials-no worries 😁

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

If what is happening is legal, then it's your problem. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant.

Starmer taking gifts from donors was perfectly legal but you had a major problem with it and suggested he needed to resign.