Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

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icowden

Pharaoh
A move to the .impoverished North would not necessarily increase your income, so why would you become wealthy, if wealth is dependant on income.
Because it's not just about income. Instead of a little 4 bed house in Surrey, I could sell my house and probably buy something quite roomy whilst also paying off most, if not all of my mortgage.

For example a 7 bed 4 bathroom property in South Hiendley would set me back £400k, I could pay off my mortgage and be better off to the tune of £2000 a month. Or I could go for a character property in South Melling with 6 beds, 3 baths, large gardens, double garage for £550k and pay off most of my mortgage.
 

BoldonLad

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Because it's not just about income. Instead of a little 4 bed house in Surrey, I could sell my house and probably buy something quite roomy whilst also paying off most, if not all of my mortgage.

For example a 7 bed 4 bathroom property in South Hiendley would set me back £400k, I could pay off my mortgage and be better off to the tune of £2000 a month. Or I could go for a character property in South Melling with 6 beds, 3 baths, large gardens, double garage for £550k and pay off most of my mortgage.

No - wealth is about income not the main property (second properties are fair game).
As you say, part of the challenge in the measure is that it is dependent on where you live.

If I moved to the impoverished North I would be a wealthy man. As it is, I'm not due to living in the massively overpriced South.


Ahem, it was YOU who said wealth was about income, not me. I am
Fully aware of the difference in property valuations between the two regions.
 

icowden

Pharaoh
Ahem, it was YOU who said wealth was about income, not me. I am
Fully aware of the difference in property valuations between the two regions.

Oh I see.

I was trying to explain why I would be more wealthy if I moved to the North. The answer is that I would owe significantly less money to the bank and therefore have more disposable income. Relatively speaking I would be much wealthier in terms of my income. This is why I specifically excluded the main property from wealth.

You can be living in a tired old former council house and not be wealthy, but become hugely wealthy if you decide to sell it and move to Rotherham due to the cash that you would extract from the property sale. If you don't want to move to Rotherham it doesn't matter if your 3 bed ex-council house is worth 2 million pounds, because you live there.
 
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briantrumpet

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This is quite the exchange...

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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
Oh I see.

I was trying to explain why I would be more wealthy if I moved to the North. The answer is that I would owe significantly less money to the bank and therefore have more disposable income. Relatively speaking I would be much wealthier in terms of my income. This is why I specifically excluded the main property from wealth.

You can be living in a tired old former council house and not be wealthy, but become hugely wealthy if you decide to sell it and move to Rotherham due to the cash that you would extract from the property sale. If you don't want to move to Rotherham it doesn't matter if your 3 bed ex-council house is worth 2 million pounds, because you live there.

If the House a person lives in is worth £2million, but, they owe the Mortgage Company, £1.9 million, isn't that exactly the same as a person living in a £200,000 house, and owing the mortgage company £100,000? ie, in both cases, their "equity" is £100k. I agree, their mortgage payments in the latter case would be less, and, they would therefore have more disposable income.

The original post used the word "rich", now, we have "wealth", "wealthier in terms of income" and "disposable income" introduced, this simple concept of "rich" seems to be becoming more complex?
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
Oh I see.

I was trying to explain why I would be more wealthy if I moved to the North. The answer is that I would owe significantly less money to the bank and therefore have more disposable income. Relatively speaking I would be much wealthier in terms of my income. This is why I specifically excluded the main property from wealth.

You can be living in a tired old former council house and not be wealthy, but become hugely wealthy if you decide to sell it and move to Rotherham due to the cash that you would extract from the property sale. If you don't want to move to Rotherham it doesn't matter if your 3 bed ex-council house is worth 2 million pounds, because you live there.

If the House a person lives in is worth £2million, but, they owe the Mortgage Company, £1.9 million, isn't that exactly the same as a person living in a £200,000 house, and owing the mortgage company £100,000? ie, in both cases, their "equity" is £100k. I agree, their mortgage payments in the latter case would be less, and, they would therefore have more disposable income.

The original post used the word "rich", now, we have "wealth", "wealthier in terms of income" and "disposable income" introduced, this simple concept of "rich" seems to be becoming more complex?
 

Ian H

Shaman
Oh I see.

I was trying to explain why I would be more wealthy if I moved to the North. The answer is that I would owe significantly less money to the bank and therefore have more disposable income. Relatively speaking I would be much wealthier in terms of my income. This is why I specifically excluded the main property from wealth.

You can be living in a tired old former council house and not be wealthy, but become hugely wealthy if you decide to sell it and move to Rotherham due to the cash that you would extract from the property sale. If you don't want to move to Rotherham it doesn't matter if your 3 bed ex-council house is worth 2 million pounds, because you live there.

You have the option to move somewhere cheaper and realise your assets. Someone already living in the 'cheap' area doesn't have that option.
 
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icowden

Pharaoh
If the House a person lives in is worth £2million, but, they owe the Mortgage Company, £1.9 million, isn't that exactly the same as a person living in a £200,000 house, and owing the mortgage company £100,000?
Yes, but I'm not really sure of the point you are making?
 

Pblakeney

Legendary Member
You have the option to move somewhere cheaper and realise your assets. Someone already living in the 'cheap' area doesn't have that option.

The assumption there is that the person in the 'cheap' area cannot have high earnings.
This is a false assumption.
 
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