AI fails

[Rusty Nails]

AI is not going to be put back in the bottle and it will only increase in use.

Is that bad or good? It doesn’t matter…it is here.

 

[Psamathe]

I'm not a fan of AI and can see how it is a bad thing in many areas but it definitely has uses as a tool.

I wonder if the limited areas it can be of benefit in is enough to justify or support the massive costs of the few AI TechBros companies.

I can see specialist dAI developers addressing specific markets with targeted tools although some of those I'd consider more "machine learning" than AI but they would not incur the massive LLM training costs, development costs, moderating and controlling costs, Datacentre costs, etc. and without all the Climate damage.

 

[briantrumpet]

Maybe think of the climate damage you are doing. And it's not just impact per "question" but all the carbon created from the training it needed to do to answer your question.

This is going to be one of those things it's going to be really hard to disentangle without lots of skill, knowledge and deciding to step 'off grid' by avoiding all the tech like Android, Apple, Google, Microsoft etc. Knowing that Google, for instance has enshittified simple Google searching to push us into Gemini is but one example of big tech's hold over everyone using it. I'm pretty confident that just using this forum means we're feeding multiple ways into the system we're criticising.

 

[Psamathe]

I'm not a fan of AI and can see how it is a bad thing in many areas but it definitely has uses as a tool.

Additionally we (as a society) don't seem to consider cheaper and less damaging tools that can be effective. eg (and it's not 1 April) for years we've known

Pigeons can identify cancerous tissue on x-rays, study finds​

Three experiments found that the birds can pick out diseased breast tissue with an accuracy rate of up to 99% and could help develop new imaging techniques

cheaper, much lower climate damage and giving 99% accuracy.

 

[Pross]

I wonder if the limited areas it can be of benefit in is enough to justify or support the massive costs of the few AI TechBros companies.

I can see specialist dAI developers addressing specific markets with targeted tools although some of those I'd consider more "machine learning" than AI but they would not incur the massive LLM training costs, development costs, moderating and controlling costs, Datacentre costs, etc. and without all the Climate damage.

That was what I was getting at with my final sentence. People use AI as shorthand for generative AI / LLMs which is where the harm vs benefits is most questionable.

 

[briantrumpet]

Additionally we (as a society) don't seem to consider cheaper and less damaging tools that can be effective. eg (and it's not 1 April) for years we've known

cheaper, much lower climate damage and giving 99% accuracy.

And the NHS uses leeches for certain things, but that doesn't stop new personalised mRNA cancer treatments being absolutely astonishing and life-saving.

Obviously the AI companies would like us to throw all the old/cheap/effective stuff away so we're completely dependent on them, but that doesn't mean that everything they come up with is useless and/or evil (though a lot of it is).

 

[Ian H]

And the NHS uses leeches for certain things, but that doesn't stop new personalised mRNA cancer treatments being absolutely astonishing and life-saving.

Obviously the AI companies would like us to throw all the old/cheap/effective stuff away so we're completely dependent on them, but that doesn't mean that everything they come up with is useless and/or evil (though a lot of it is).

What would an AI leach look like?

 

[C R]

What would an AI leach look like?

Isn't that what AI companies are?

 

[Beebo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nzxv9q4yo

French fridges in large super markets hacked and went so hot they ruined all their food.
Is there a good reason to even have all your fridges linked to the net?

 

[AndyRM]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nzxv9q4yo

French fridges in large super markets hacked and went so hot they ruined all their food.
Is there a good reason to even have all your fridges linked to the net?

Nope.

 

[C R]

Is there a good reason to even have all your fridges linked to the net?

It depends what you mean by the net. If you have lots of industrial fridges all over the country it makes sense to have them report to a management system so that you can track maintenance, faults an so on. That's just normal industrial equipment management, and it doesn't happen over the open internet, the fridge doesn't just have an ip address in a range accessible by the public.

The normal arquitecture is to have an entry point into the facility, with an address that is not accessible to the Internet. The equipment in the building talks to that entry point which in turn talks to the management system via a private network. That private network will not be accessible directly via the Internet.

What is likely to have happened here is that a computer within the company's network with access to the Internet was compromised. Once that computer is compromised, the attacker will probe the internal network for vulnerabilities and move through to either extract information or cause damage. No Internet access for the fridges is required.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

One of my ovens is connected to the net via the house wifi. Why the fúck escapes me, as does why the fúck I would want to operate it remotely.

 

[Pblakeney]

What would an AI leach look like?

Musk.

 

[AndyRM]

It depends what you mean by the net. If you have lots of industrial fridges all over the country it makes sense to have them report to a management system so that you can track maintenance, faults an so on. That's just normal industrial equipment management, and it doesn't happen over the open internet, the fridge doesn't just have an ip address in a range accessible by the public.

The normal arquitecture is to have an entry point into the facility, with an address that is not accessible to the Internet. The equipment in the building talks to that entry point which in turn talks to the management system via a private network. That private network will not be accessible directly via the Internet.

What is likely to have happened here is that a computer within the company's network with access to the Internet was compromised. Once that computer is compromised, the attacker will probe the internal network for vulnerabilities and move through to either extract information or cause damage. No Internet access for the fridges is required.

Aye, that does make sense. But having a home fridge connected to the internet is weird, which I appreciate wasn't the original line, but I keep seeing adverts for them and I can't think of a good reason for it.

 

[C R]

Aye, that does make sense. But having a home fridge connected to the internet is weird, which I appreciate wasn't the original line, but I keep seeing adverts for them and I can't think of a good reason for it.

Definitely, that's just stupid.