Bad economic times.

[icowden]

Just shows how people have different preferences.
Of those Gelly positives there are 5 that I wouldn't be interested in, and one that dissuades me from buying at all. Each to their own.

That's fair enough, but the point is that for significantly less money, the Chinese import offers significantly more functionality.
I should also mention that range is very similar between the two* as the Geely has been designed properly as an electric car where the ID4 is burdened with unnecessary weight and some unoptimised aero.

*real world range - VW claim the WLTP range for the ID4 pro is 330 miles. It's nowhere near that. It's about 250 miles. Geely are also bringing out the ultra which has 280 miles real world instead of 250. Geely are getting the same range out of a battery that is 20kwh smaller.

 

[Pblakeney]

That's fair enough, but the point is that for significantly less money, the Chinese import offers significantly more functionality.
I should also mention that range is very similar between the two* as the Geely has been designed properly as an electric car where the ID4 is burdened with unnecessary weight and some unoptimised aero.

*real world range - VW claim the WLTP range for the ID4 pro is 330 miles. It's nowhere near that. It's about 250 miles. Geely are also bringing out the ultra which has 280 miles real world instead of 250. Geely are getting the same range out of a battery that is 20kwh smaller.

Oh, I don't disagree.
I think that China are quietly taking control of the world by becoming the default supplier selling equal quality for cheaper.

 

[BoldonLad]

That's fair enough, but the point is that for significantly less money, the Chinese import offers significantly more functionality.
I should also mention that range is very similar between the two* as the Geely has been designed properly as an electric car where the ID4 is burdened with unnecessary weight and some unoptimised aero.

*real world range - VW claim the WLTP range for the ID4 pro is 330 miles. It's nowhere near that. It's about 250 miles. Geely are also bringing out the ultra which has 280 miles real world instead of 250. Geely are getting the same range out of a battery that is 20kwh smaller.

If considering not significantly more functionality, but, the same functionality, this reminds me of a conversation with a former drinking pal of mine. He was a Coal Miner, on strike during the most recent miners strike. His justification was that "we" (ie the public) should not be buying cheap Polish coal, to heat our homes, and, thus depressing his income and/or putting his job in jeopardy. He was not amused when I pointed out to him that every item of clothing he was wearing, plus his watch, his car, his television, and, most if not all of his kitchen electrical equipment was also imported. From then on, we were ex-drinking Pals.

 

[briantrumpet]

If considering not significantly more functionality, but, the same functionality, this reminds me of a conversation with a former drinking pal of mine. He was a Coal Miner, on strike during the most recent miners strike. His justification was that "we" (ie the public) should not be buying cheap Polish coal, to heat our homes, and, thus depressing his income and/or putting his job in jeopardy. He was not amused when I pointed out to him that every item of clothing he was wearing, plus his watch, his car, his television, and, most if not all of his kitchen electrical equipment was also imported. From then on, we were ex-drinking Pals.

It's disappointing to see a union arguing for more drilling in the North Sea "cos jobs, innit". Maybe said union needs to refocus on an industry of the future, like renewables, rather than trying to cling on to a past which isn't coming back.

 

[BoldonLad]

It's disappointing to see a union arguing for more drilling in the North Sea "cos jobs, innit". Maybe said union needs to refocus on an industry of the future, like renewables, rather than trying to cling on to a past which isn't coming back.

? What has drilling in the North Sea got to do with coal mines?, other than possibly flooding those (coal mines) which extended out under the sea.

 

[Pblakeney]

It's disappointing to see a union arguing for more drilling in the North Sea "cos jobs, innit". Maybe said union needs to refocus on an industry of the future, like renewables, rather than trying to cling on to a past which isn't coming back.

It obviously needs repeating that drilling is not only for fuel.
It is also not only the North Sea. I’m not sure on the figures but at some point the North Atlantic will surpass the North Sea.

 

[icowden]

If considering not significantly more functionality, but, the same functionality, this reminds me of a conversation with a former drinking pal of mine. He was a Coal Miner, on strike during the most recent miners strike. His justification was that "we" (ie the public) should not be buying cheap Polish coal, to heat our homes, and, thus depressing his income and/or putting his job in jeopardy. He was not amused when I pointed out to him that every item of clothing he was wearing, plus his watch, his car, his television, and, most if not all of his kitchen electrical equipment was also imported. From then on, we were ex-drinking Pals.

On that note, the sales guy I was chatting to mentioned that he'd had some people very wary of buying a Chinese EV. His responses is "what phone have you got? You know it was made in China right? And that China have interests or make parts for just about every car.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

On that note, the sales guy I was chatting to mentioned that he'd had some people very wary of buying a Chinese EV. His responses is "what phone have you got? You know it was made in China right? And that China have interests or make parts for just about every car.

Agreed having said that, i do understand where it is coming for for many brands you can get Chinese knock-off parts which are off substantial lower quality. so that kind of feeds in the story. Despite an Bosch producing it's spark plugs in China the quality is better then the compactible spark plugs from Chua Wei(random name)
But with some chinese brands getting an foothold in european markets like Geely, Omoda, Bafang etc. etc. it does seem to be changing, alltough direct import from China is always still a bit of a gamble as their quality control is very different from ours.