First Aspect
Squire
She hasn't specified which two limbs.
Badenoch's (Lack Of) Vision Quest
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She hasn't specified which two limbs.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Quite. Even without that knowledge though, is she claiming that an amputee of whatever limbs they've lost doesn't face challenges in daily life that don't incur costs that the state might assist with? Someone really neds to dig down on this one and question her directly (obviously with the consent of the person she thinks she is referencing).
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Psamathe
Squire
Again she's highlighting her own lack of mental cpacity. Just because one person can do something does not mean everybody can do the same thing. Just lack of ... anything really.
Maybe we can be glad she never actually got offered the non-exiting medical course (she lied about). Can you imagine her as a medic eg patient with broken leg and "well somebody ran a marathon with a leg injury so you don't need any treatment".
First Aspect
Squire
She is offensively stupid.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Remember that empathy is toxic. Kemi is doing so well avoiding showing any. Arrogance and total belief in her own superiority and rightness has filled the void.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Mind you, intellect is no guard against being offensive in a similar way: few people would deny that both Steven Pinker and Richard Dawkins (for instance) are reasonably clever, but look where they've ended up.
First Aspect
Squire
Dawkins has offended people by saying non offensive things they disagree with.
Back to Kemi the wheelchair snatcher.... isnt the issue with ability benefits rather than disability benefits? The tories just can't help themselves can they?
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Maybe mine was a feeble attempt to be an equal opportunities offendee.
That said,
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Pross
Guru
Yep, it feels like a massive blunder to be seen to openly target the obviously disabled (for want of a better phrase) when that isn't what most of those who go on about 'benefits cheats' are moaning about. The whole point is that those people are put out by people with non-obvious disabilities. Even amongst that crowd she's going to look quite callous.
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Psamathe
Squire
As you say, maybe the issue is wider than just Ms Badenoch. Why aren't her advisors pointing out the many obvious flaws in her justifications (for most things, not just welfare cuts). Why aren't Conservative MPs pointing out the obvious and saying "no" (given their responsibility is to the electorate not to Ms Badenoch)?
briantrumpet
Timewaster
I suspect that her arrogance extends into private meetings where she has to be seen to be cleverest person in the room, and unchallengeable thanks to her immense intellect.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
She never seems to think two steps further on... see the 'Iron Dome' incident... she'd not even got the most basic responses clear in her own mind before standing in front of a reporter to answer questions on the 'policy' (which in fact was no more than a draft title of a vague idea).
First Aspect
Squire
Okay, um, the way it is framed isn't ideal.
However, whilst the term "immmoral" is manifestly incorrect, the general premise to think very long and very hard if you learn at an early stage about a severe genetic defect, is true.
Trust me, all the hope, kindness and support in the world will not make up for the crushing, relentless and prolonged burden on at the very least the parents and siblings. With the best will in the world, society is also cruel to people with disabilities.
I would not wish the choice on my worst enemy.
And this is not the same as discriminating against people with disabilities.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
You might be right, but I shall have to ponder further, as that would be quite a disturbing thing to have to admit.
First Aspect
Squire
Yup.
Fwiw it is perfectly possible to have great compassion for disabled people and their challenges, whilst recognising the costs.
But it is a challenging issue. Generalisations should probably be avoided - save to acknowledge the difficulties and not castigate people who decide they are too huge to take on. Assuming they ever have the option.
