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Beebo

Veteran
I don’t think we can blame the Queen for that. It’s the political classes who make these decisions.
My father in law died a couple of months after Prince Philip.
The end of life care was all over the place. My constant thoughts were Prince Philip didn’t have to put up with this crap.
The expectation that everyone can have 24 hour personal care is probably unrealistic but we could and should be doing far better.
 
People are mourning a myth. A myth borne out of thousands of years of bloodshed, feudalism, slavery, subjugation, exploitation and inequality.
Elizabeth was a mother, grandmother and great grandmother, and her family will grieve and mourn the person they knew and loved.
But for the rest of us the Queen is, was a myth that should be laid to rest and if we want to to be a real democracy we need to abolish the monarchy.
 

All uphill

Active Member
People are mourning a myth. A myth borne out of thousands of years of bloodshed, feudalism, slavery, subjugation, exploitation and inequality.
Elizabeth was a mother, grandmother and great grandmother, and her family will grieve and mourn the person they knew and loved.
But for the rest of us the Queen is, was a myth that should be laid to rest and if we want to to be a real democracy we need to abolish the monarchy.

I agree, but...

So much has been taken away from so many people in our society, perhaps all that is left are the myths - royalty, British greatness etc.
 

albion

Veteran
People are mourning a myth. A myth borne out of thousands of years of bloodshed, feudalism, slavery, subjugation, exploitation and inequality.
Elizabeth was a mother, grandmother and great grandmother, and her family will grieve and mourn the person they knew and loved.
But for the rest of us the Queen is, was a myth that should be laid to rest and if we want to to be a real democracy we need to abolish the monarchy.

I sense we will soon need the monarchy more. At least if we want to stay a democracy.
Well I say democracy, but ain't we owned by all the barons? And not the royal type.
 
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Rusty Nails

Country Member
People are mourning a myth. A myth borne out of thousands of years of bloodshed, feudalism, slavery, subjugation, exploitation and inequality.
Elizabeth was a mother, grandmother and great grandmother, and her family will grieve and mourn the person they knew and loved.
But for the rest of us the Queen is, was a myth that should be laid to rest and if we want to to be a real democracy we need to abolish the monarchy.

Perhaps you are right, perhaps you are wrong.

I am not a monarchist but I know a lot of people are, and see the Monarchy as very real, so the only thing I disagree with in your post is where you say "for the rest of us".
 

BoldonLad

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I sense we will soon need the monarchy more. At least if we want to stay a democracy.
Well I say democracy, but ain't we owned by all the barons? And not the royal type.

Aren't most of our assets owned by the dreaded foreigners, rather than the Barons?
 
Perhaps you are right, perhaps you are wrong.

I am not a monarchist but I know a lot of people are, and see the Monarchy as very real, so the only thing I disagree with in your post is where you say "for the rest of us".

I would suspect that the number of monarchists is diminishing at a very fast rate. Once queenie is in the ground and the dust settles, there will be little fervent love for Charles 3 and his offspring. The Commonwealth is in the last chance saloon too.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
I would suspect that the number of monarchists is diminishing at a very fast rate. Once queenie is in the ground and the dust settles, there will be little fervent love for Charles 3 and his offspring. The Commonwealth is in the last chance saloon too.

Both sentiments true, and will probably be a bit faster under Charles,but I suspect it will not be anytime soon...at least not until well into the second half of this century. What is more likely, imo, is that the constitution of the Monarchy will change and it will become more like those European monarchies that remain much more low-key.
 

All uphill

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Both sentiments true, and will probably be a bit faster under Charles,but I suspect it will not be anytime soon...at least not until well into the second half of this century. What is more likely, imo, is that the constitution of the Monarchy will change and it will become more like those European monarchies that remain much more low-key.

I've been a republican all my adult life, but I could live comfortably with a small royal family, especially if the CofE was disestablished and the House of Lords halved in size.

I'll keep dreaming.
 

albion

Veteran
Aren't most of our assets owned by the dreaded foreigners, rather than the

It is a fairly well used term.
https://www.newstatesman.com/business/2021/02/four-men-own-britain-s-news-media-problem-democracy
https://pressgazette.co.uk/rupert-m...imes-in-first-14-months-of-johnson-government
"Press Gazette: 'The full story on ministers’ meetings with the press barons' Part of New Statesman Media Group"


In mentioning it was much the same in 1931, I had best mention fascism was very string then too. The British Union of Fascism came about in 1932. The parallels to the barely mentioned wave of fascism here in the UK is strong.
The US too, it is just barely mentioned.
https://aninjusticemag.com/biden-al...re-maga-republicans-semi-fascist-e997b5399ae4
 
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A bit more balanced reporting for y’all.

Queen Elizabeth’s death, unlike those of other famous older women, signals almost nothing at all for the day-to-day lives of people around the world; it might mean some changes for how we view the monarchy, but politically, her death is a nonevent. Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death meant that Roe v. Wade would certainly be overturned (and boy were we right). Queer activist Urvashi Vaid died earlier this spring, a loss to several civil rights movements, from healthcare justice to anti-war efforts. When activist and writer Barbara Ehrenreich died at the beginning of the month, it meant one fewer voice of reason in the public discourse of socialism, feminism, and community.

Queen Elizabeth’s death, conversely, means nothing other than that she opted not to be cryogenically frozen in order to be brought back during the next fall of civilization so she can take more jewels that never belonged to her or her family in the first place.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/queen-elizabeth-colonialism-racism-british-empire
 
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