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Pblakeney

Regular
Maybe I don't interact with the 'left lovvies' (sic) you're talking about, but that's never been the case as far as I'm aware. Simply as vehicles, Teslas have always had a poor reputation - unreliability, poor QC & massive depreciation & an insane price point. I don't think being briefly fashionable with the Range Rover set exactly made them tools of the Revolution.

Leaving aside the trivial detail that lefties really don't like billionaires - Musk himself, for many years before entering politics & his meteoric rise to become Emperor PayPalpatine, was seen as a nepo-baby fraud, using his profile & grifted wealth to buy companies & buy personal kudos for achievements that were entirely other people's vision & work. Most folk with any tech background or awareness know what an idiot the man is - it's only comparitively recently he's demonstrated what a broken, vicious and downright dangerous cünt he is as well.

This sort of sums him up:

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My son in law has a Tesla. A piece of internal trim fell off. He asked how much for Tesla repair then bought it on the bay for £15 and fitted it in 5 minutes.
The Tesla cost? £400.
 
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CXRAndy

Über Member
My son in law has a Tesla. A piece of internal trim fell off. He asked how much for Tesla repair then bought it on the bay and fitted it in 5 minutes.
The Tesla cost? £400.

That's the same with any main dealer. Nothing unusual, I do my own repairs on my vehicles, whether it's a cheap Citroen or my Tesla. I'm not paying for main dealers unless absolutely necessary.
 
A local Nissan dealer wanted £400 to change the window regulator. The diagnostic (they didn't remove the trim) was £50. I stuck duct tape round the window til I found a garage who fixed it for £60. They have to pay for those giant glass showrooms somehow, and that somehow is labour at £100 an hour.
 

CXRAndy

Über Member
You know many vehicles are assembled with 'glue'. The Jaguar F type is one example. I was invited to a factory tour, they bond almost all of their structural panels with adhesive.

It offers many advantages, weight saving, panel gap filling and structural stiffness, compared to fusion welding or spot welding.

I would like to bet that almost all vehicles have some adhesive bonding somewhere on the body.
 

Dorset Boy

New Member
You know many vehicles are assembled with 'glue'. The Jaguar F type is one example. I was invited to a factory tour, they bond almost all of their structural panels with adhesive.

It offers many advantages, weight saving, panel gap filling and structural stiffness, compared to fusion welding or spot welding.

I would like to bet that almost all vehicles have some adhesive bonding somewhere on the body.

Some companies use a glue / resin that is up to standard, others, such as the swasticar don't.
 

CXRAndy

Über Member
Some companies use a glue / resin that is up to standard, others, such as the swasticar don't.

You would expect manufacturers to get it right first time all the time.

Legacy makers especially so.


Even Bentley get it wrong, company formed in 1888 have recalls for bonding issues for components.

"The issue adhesive bond doesn't meet specifications"


It's no big deal- only in the mind of Tesla haters
:biggrin:
 
That's cheap, you go near an Audi Mercedes, Porsche dealer, nearer £200 per hour

Thankfully there is almost zero servicing a Tesla.

Must admit the lack of moving parts to service or wear out is a big selling point. I did fancy a hybrid initially but couldn't decide if it was the best or worse of both worlds. Happy with our ev so far though.
 

HMS_Dave

Regular
You would expect manufacturers to get it right first time all the time.

Legacy makers especially so.


Even Bentley get it wrong, company formed in 1888 have recalls for bonding issues for components.

"The issue adhesive bond doesn't meet specifications"


It's no big deal- only in the mind of Tesla haters
:biggrin:

At least when a Bentley has broken down, it's still worth looking at.
 

Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
You hate the cars, you hate him, you hate the owners of Tesla's
The MDS is strong with you.

'Hate' is a very strong word, and not one I'd use - I wonder whether you either don't really know what you're saying, or are projecting your own emotional negativity. It may be elements of both.

To be clear - the cars & technology are interesting, and Tesla as the foremost maker of EVs has pushed them into the mainstream far quicker than legacy ICE brands ever would have. I'm a lifelong petrolhead but in general I like EVs and I expect at some point I'll own one, although they will have to be smaller (as a cyclist/motorcyclist I have issues with the ubiquity of Transit Van-sized cars clogging the roads), lighter (as a bedwetting, save-the-planet lefty I have issues about particulate pollution) & either faster-charging or with much better real-world range. It absolutely won't be a Tesla, though.

I don't think I 'hate' Musk - he would appear to be a highly dysfunctional, damaged, erratic & seemingly frequently irrational individual who for whatever variety of reasons has ended up being arguably the most powerful individual on the planet, if we are to assume that within a plutocracy wealth defers to greater wealth.

To have a man with more money than God - and who has stated that "empathy is a weakness" - in a position to gaze down from his rarified altitude and observe that people who have next to nothing actually have too much - that's an objectively horrifying place for the world to have arrived at, and the fact politicians elsewhere appear to want to follow his grim example is similarly appalling. The world could be an immeasurably better place if certain people weren't in it, and Musk is one of those people. But that's pragmatism, not hate.

I don't have much feeling one-way or another about people who own Teslas - I live about 4 miles from a Tesla sales/service centre, and I see a lot of them around my way. I guess I'd hope with Musk having outed himself as more Doctor Doom than Iron Man, most people would probably want to get rid & divest themselves of the association. Although I doubt a Tesla's the easiest car to shift right now.
 
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