Boom! Rachael Reeves....

[Wobblers]

What is the definition of ‘private jet’? Many of us fly around on private corporate jets to various offices - as casual as taking a train. So these corporations now need to allocate more funding to this expenditure line? If so, that won’t be an issue of any kind to these corporations.

"Many of us fly around on private corporate jets"? I rather think this word "many" is doing an extraordinary amount of heavy lifting here. Most of us ordinary proles have to take the train. Or Easyjet....

 

[Mark999]

"Many of us fly around on private corporate jets"? I rather think this word "many" is doing an extraordinary amount of heavy lifting here. Most of us ordinary proles have to take the train. Or Easyjet....

I could have clarified the grouping of ‘us’. It’s not uncommon, Just a form of daily transport in many corporations. Uk - Europe and many thousand daily across NA.

 

[All uphill]

I could have clarified the grouping of ‘us’. It’s not uncommon, Just a form of daily transport in many corporations. Uk - Europe and many thousand daily across NA.

That's an attitude I would like to see increased taxation change.

 

[BoldonLad]

I could have clarified the grouping of ‘us’. It’s not uncommon, Just a form of daily transport in many corporations. Uk - Europe and many thousand daily across NA.

I don’t think Reeves budget is applicable outside UK

 

[matticus]

I could have clarified the grouping of ‘us’. It’s not uncommon, Just a form of daily transport in many corporations. Uk - Europe and many thousand daily across NA.

So, two different, separate things to address here:
- We may have to disagree about definitions of "uncommon". Plenty of high-rollers travel on public flights (maybe 1st class, of course). I've known business travellers all my life, and not a single one has used corporate jets. So yes, there are too many private jet flights, but they are being made by quite a small elite of society.
- Is tax a disincentive? Well, does your corporation not consider the costs of activities? Can you just willy-nilly ask for gold-plated stationary without anyone questioning your purchase request? If so, you don't work anywhere that I am familiar with.

 

[matticus]

Not always. We don't consider ourselves rich but made sacrifices to purchase our private jet so our neuro-diverse and delicate offspring could get around with a degree of inflight attention proportionate to their exceptional needs; care unavailable on crowded passenger jets containing hundreds of unwashed oiks and low flight-attendant-to-passenger ratios. Frankly, this additional tax is short sighted of Reeves, forcing as it will many middle-class private jetters like us to leave private jettery and piling additional pressure on the Ryanair sector.

Mate, I do like a bit of pithy satire, but aiming this at icowden shows how far off your compass is.
He's not the one defending private jets. Get a grip.

 

[monkers]

The analysis also found that within Europe, the UK has:

• Most private flights: At 90,256, a private jet took off from the UK every six minutes
• Most emissions: Private jets in the UK caused half a million tonnes of CO2 in 2022 – the highest in Europe
• Busiest route: Flights between London and Paris were the most popular route accounting for 3,357 flights. Six of the top 10 routes also included London.
• Most polluting route: The journey of less than five miles between Farnborough and Blackbushe in Hampshire is the most carbon-intensive route

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/private-jet-flights-in-the-uk-soar-to-new-heights-analysis/

 

[Fab Foodie]

So, two different, separate things to address here:
- We may have to disagree about "uncommon". Plenty of high-rollers travel on public flights (maybe 1st class, of course). I've known business travellers all my life, and not a single one has used corporate jets. I suggest to you that this is a very small minority of journeys (at least in the UK).
- Is tax a disincentive? Well, does your corporation not consider the costs of activities? Can you just willy-nilly ask for gold-plated stationary without anyone questioning your purchase request? If so, you don't work anywhere that I am familiar with.

FWIW....
There are approximately 2000 private jets registered in the UK. There are ten times more airports available to private jets than scheduled airlines.

That suggests they are kept quite busy!
I flew on a corporate prop-job once...does that count too?

I think it was a cheeky poke at Sunak et al, but any nudge that reduces flying must only be a good thing...and I say that as somebody with a carbon footprint the size of Lichtenstein....

 

[Fab Foodie]

The analysis also found that within Europe, the UK has:

• Most private flights: At 90,256, a private jet took off from the UK every six minutes
• Most emissions: Private jets in the UK caused half a million tonnes of CO2 in 2022 – the highest in Europe
• Busiest route: Flights between London and Paris were the most popular route accounting for 3,357 flights. Six of the top 10 routes also included London.
• Most polluting route: The journey of less than five miles between Farnborough and Blackbushe in Hampshire is the most carbon-intensive route

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/private-jet-flights-in-the-uk-soar-to-new-heights-analysis/

Tsk Monkers, you and yer facts again....

 

[monkers]

According to the link I posted above, there were in that year of analysis 1343 flights by private jet between Farnborough and London, a distance of just 31 miles that take just 90 minutes by train.

 

[monkers]

Tsk Monkers, you and yer facts again....

Please kindly accept my most humblest of apologies. Sometimes I don't know what comes over me.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

31 miles that take just 90 minutes by train.

20 mph!

 

[fozy tornip]

Mate, I do like a bit of pithy satire, but aiming this at icowden shows how far off your compass is.
He's not the one defending private jets. Get a grip.

Anyone?

 

[monkers]

20 mph!

They probably use the exercise bike in flight for exercise.

 

[Psamathe]

So, two different, separate things to address here:
- We may have to disagree about definitions of "uncommon". Plenty of high-rollers travel on public flights (maybe 1st class, of course). I've known business travellers all my life, and not a single one has used corporate jets. So yes, there are too many private jet flights, but they are being made by quite a small elite of society.
- Is tax a disincentive? Well, does your corporation not consider the costs of activities? Can you just willy-nilly ask for gold-plated stationary without anyone questioning your purchase request? If so, you don't work anywhere that I am familiar with.

Another important aspect is (or should be) "polluter pays". If having/using a private jet is a necessary requirement on business then the costs associated with that become a cost of doing that business and shouldn't be down to other tax payers to subsidise (through bearing the consequences and costs of the pollution).

Ian