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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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One of those few people you never hear a bad thing about and who has successfully crossed several generations (my 22 year old daughter thinks he’s amazing)

Apologies I can't find anything other than a FB post, but I was there for this Hon Grad speech by him. At 85 years old, he spoke for the best part of ten minutes, without looking at his notes, with barely an 'um' or an 'ah', or a stumble, with an impassioned and cogent speech. A quite remarkable man.

 
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But what if Gerald Scarfe had drawn it, with his usual pointy noses and angry faces?

I think it would have gone unnoticed, because that's his style.

It would have gone un-noted for antisemitic tropes, as Scarfe doesn't do the tropes (as far as I've ever been aware), just righteous viciousness.

FWIW, I think Polanski deserved ridiculing for his reaction, but Brookes' recourse to witting or unwitting tropes spoilt his point, so even if you don't accept my argument (despite my generally being very sceptical about how the 'antisemitism' accusation is often deployed), his carelessness (at best) is self-defeating, with the focus being on the tropes rather than Polanski's statement.
 

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It would have gone un-noted for antisemitic tropes, as Scarfe doesn't do the tropes (as far as I've ever been aware), just righteous viciousness.

FWIW, I think Polanski deserved ridiculing for his reaction, but Brookes' recourse to witting or unwitting tropes spoilt his point, so even if you don't accept my argument (despite my generally being very sceptical about how the 'antisemitism' accusation is often deployed), his carelessness (at best) is self-defeating, with the focus being on the tropes rather than Polanski's statement.

The argument that someone can't be accused of a trope because he doesn't (didn't) do them is cyclic at best.

Lets see how it pans out. I think the Times will ignore or defend, and that if the Greens raise the ante the Times will defend itself more. For that reason, I suspect time will show it to have been a bit of cynical electioneering on their part to deflect from the breathtakingly stupid position Polanski took on the issue.

The only other one I looked at was the snooker player one. Again, that's no more anti Semitic than the Ed Milliband image on the other thread.
 

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It's a deal.

Turns out Scarfe had some past controversy in around 2913 about a cartoon of Neyenyahu building a wall out of pieces of dead Palestinians.

It's actually rather prescient, and he'd have probably got away with it today, given that against all expectations Neyenhahu has actually turned out to be a genocidal zealot after all. Who knew.
 
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Turns out Scarfe had some past controversy in around 2913 about a cartoon of Neyenyahu building a wall out of pieces of dead Palestinians.

It's actually rather prescient, and he'd have probably got away with it today, given that against all expectations Neyenhahu has actually turned out to be a genocidal zealot after all. Who knew.

That's the good kind of trouble cartoonists should get in.
 
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First Aspect

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That's the good kind of trouble cartoonists should get in.
I think the issue was the "trope" in the depiction of Netenyahiu, rather than using Palestinians as mortar (which is fair game, it seems).

The boundaries appear impossibly hard to define.
 

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Disgraceful anti-Semitic trope from the BBC.
 

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