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Alternatively, Burnham is blue Labour's second go after failing with Starmer.
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Alternatively, Burnham is blue Labour's second go after failing with Starmer.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
Maybe, and time will tell, but things like this and how Burnham translates his paean about care-workers into any changes in immigration policy will be good indicators. I think I'm heartened that EU policy is back with the Foreign Office under Miliband, but, again, time will tell.
I can't imagine Starmer having got such a forthright view about Infantino out so quickly, as he'd not have just said what's bleedingly obvious, but run it through a few focus groups and McSweeney/Glasman first.
midlandsgrimpeur
Prostrate Member
Linking to both this and the 'moderate right' post above. I think the 'Burnham bounce' will harden into something more concrete and I also suspect he will take a stance on policing genuine political protestors as if they were terrorists. If so, and he does continue to garner support, it will be interesting to see what happens on the right.
Obviously Reform are Reform and their policy is set in stone. As Badenoch has pursued the same Reform type approach as Starmer and clearly killed off any last vestiges of moderate centre right policy, she has dug a massive whole for herself and the Tories. Does she make a massive pivot back towards centre ground (unlikely) or continue on the same doomed path?
One thing that has been noticeable with Burnham is that we still have an electorate, by and large, that is fuelled by hope and optimism. We have just been dragged into fear and negativity by populists as that is the only place where they can exist successfully. Badenoch has followed them there and it is a long way back potentially.
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briantrumpet
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It's what finally broke Starmer, I think - his supposedly heartfelt 'reset' speech after Gorton & Denton, and then just carried on before, as if he'd not lost the by-election and made that speech. It was utter cowardice to accept the Reform framing of immigration and anti-EU-ness and not try to sell a positive vision after the 2024 election.
My own ward – once the truest, bluest Tory area – voted Labour councillors in *because* of their progressive values, not because they pretended to be right wing. And I think they'd be looking at Burnham and liking what they are hearing, as opposed to Starmer's negativity and Reformy agenda.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
Maybe three weeks isn't long enough to fix everything or formulate a considered opinion on everything, especially given the hostility of a press that wants him to fail or U-turn.
Though maybe publishing a 'new model of government' in that time does suggest he's not been sitting on his hands.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ent/rewiring-the-state-cabinet-statement-html
monkers
Shaman
In summary, this is how I see it. It is a battle of the homophones!
Insightful v Inciteful.
Insightful: Deeply perceptive and wise, reveals truth to enlighten minds.
Inciteful: Provocative and stirring up trouble, triggers rage to ignite crowds.
The lesser success in the former, and the greater success in the latter explains much of the state of political opinion and democracy in the UK.
Insightful v Inciteful.
Insightful: Deeply perceptive and wise, reveals truth to enlighten minds.
Inciteful: Provocative and stirring up trouble, triggers rage to ignite crowds.
The lesser success in the former, and the greater success in the latter explains much of the state of political opinion and democracy in the UK.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
Just a reminder that the best thing you can do to understand UK politics a bit better (eh, @BoldonLad) is to read Ian Dunt's 'How Westminster Works (and why it doesn't)', even if all it does is make you realise just why there are so many political screw-ups and so much dysfunction. Dunt might be a screaming fairly-moderate, but it really isn't party political.
As far as the PM goes, the pressures on time are utterly ridiculous, partly because so much has to go through them, and 10 Downing Street is a preposterous place to be directing the government of a large complex nation & economy from.
As far as the PM goes, the pressures on time are utterly ridiculous, partly because so much has to go through them, and 10 Downing Street is a preposterous place to be directing the government of a large complex nation & economy from.
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FishFright
Well-Known Member
That has to end but i fear the legislation is too useful to the establishment for squashing dissent and demonising all protest.
Ian H
Shaman
Boing! Thud!
Burnham risks first revolt as PM over apparent support for North Sea drilling
Labour MPs fear No 10 team lack up-to-date energy insight and don’t fully recognise voters’ climate concerns
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-north-sea-drilling-rosebank-jackdaw-climate
Burnham risks first revolt as PM over apparent support for North Sea drilling
Labour MPs fear No 10 team lack up-to-date energy insight and don’t fully recognise voters’ climate concerns
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-north-sea-drilling-rosebank-jackdaw-climate
monkers
Shaman
This is Burnham test-marketing ideas for policy. We've had these policy decision practices in the past - they never end well.
Pblakeney
Shaman
A point of order. Rosebank is not in the North Sea.
PurplePenguin
Über Member
You know how you object to people expecting you to watch a youtube video? Well, you've just levelled up
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
90% fair. Touché.
But there is that moment when only someone showing how using a radical twindle tool to unlock grommet A3 from the hex receptor in the multifacet splort will do.
Or in other words, like trying to tie a bow tie from the diagram they give you with a proper bow tie.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
If you mean the mayor election it's apparently gone to the second votes as nobody got 50%. Labour and Reform left in it. Turn out of 25%. Hardly an endorsement for any party or candidate.
Edit: edited because I got my sums wrong on the vote but my mandate point stands.
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