Burnham

[UglyWithaSidePart]

Re: Early Prisoner Release
Whilst I don't fully appreciate the criminal justice system but with early prisoner release to resolve over-crowding, why are we not using the unused military bases currently intended for housing refugees? Instead of housing refugees, move prisoners to them as a "Open Prison" making it clear that should they abscond not only will they be returned to prison but they will impact any future parole decisions.

Prisoners could be moved to sites far from their victims, etc.

I appreciate the security would be weak but it's higher than just complete release and back to the same area as their victims.

I'm sure it has been considered but I've not seen it raised nor reasons why it can't work.

The people who live near these bases wouldn't like it.

 

[All uphill]

Re: Early Prisoner Release
Whilst I don't fully appreciate the criminal justice system but with early prisoner release to resolve over-crowding, why are we not using the unused military bases currently intended for housing refugees? Instead of housing refugees, move prisoners to them as a "Open Prison" making it clear that should they abscond not only will they be returned to prison but they will impact any future parole decisions.

Prisoners could be moved to sites far from their victims, etc.

I appreciate the security would be weak but it's higher than just complete release and back to the same area as their victims.

I'm sure it has been considered but I've not seen it raised nor reasons why it can't work.

I think the underlying issue here is the tensions between what can be shown to reduce crime, particularly recidivism, the enormous costs of incarceration and the desire of some people to punish offenders, even if that has no positive effect.

So the problem, as I see it, with your plan is that it would be expensive to staff and run, would further increase an already high prison population and do nothing to reduce crime.
Other than that it's a good idea

As with many things politicians have failed to inform the public, newspapers and populist politicians have put their immediate personal interests ahead of those of the country.

 

[Pross]

Re: Early Prisoner Release
Whilst I don't fully appreciate the criminal justice system but with early prisoner release to resolve over-crowding, why are we not using the unused military bases currently intended for housing refugees? Instead of housing refugees, move prisoners to them as a "Open Prison" making it clear that should they abscond not only will they be returned to prison but they will impact any future parole decisions.

Prisoners could be moved to sites far from their victims, etc.

I appreciate the security would be weak but it's higher than just complete release and back to the same area as their victims.

I'm sure it has been considered but I've not seen it raised nor reasons why it can't work.

Can’t upset the human rights of convicted criminals like that.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Burnham to do a tour of the country this week,
Presumably that means Manchester, Liverpool, Wigan, Blackpool, Burnley, Bolton and Blackburn.

 

[BoldonLad]

Burnham to do a tour of the country this week,
Presumably that means Manchester, Liverpool, Wigan, Blackpool, Burnley, Bolton and Blackburn.

Yeah, he will not be coming to the Notth this time around 😊

 

[icowden]

Re: Early Prisoner Release

Interesting article by Jpshua Rozenberg here:-
https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/could-killers-serve-longer

The TLR is that if Bowers and Cole had been sentenced 4 months earlier they would have been told to expect release on license halfway through their 13 year term. It was only changed to 2/3rds of your sentence by Robert Buckland in 2020. So the handwringing going on is a little disingenuous.

 

[briantrumpet]

Burnham learning from Mamdani and doing easy popular wins, this time bringing forward his click-to-cancel plan. Not surprisingly, businesses are moaning. Well, maybe they should have embedded the practice of making cancelling subscriptions really hard so deeply in their systems.

Elsewhere, Burnham is skirting round harder subjects (e.g. Palestine & Palestine Action), or letting failed approaches (e.g. EU Red Lines and Cakeism) stagger on, despite the politics having shifted.

 

[FishFright]

He's been in power nearly a month now ,it's about time he sorted everything on everyone's wish list.

 

[briantrumpet]

He's been in power nearly a month now ,it's about time he sorted everything on everyone's wish list.

True, but reiterating silly ones when he could stay quiet isn't sensible. He's also not (AFAIK) condemned the targeting of asylum seekers' housing. Happy to be proved wrong though.

 

[Rusty Nails]

True, but reiterating silly ones when he could stay quiet isn't sensible. He's also not (AFAIK) condemned the targeting of asylum seekers' housing. Happy to be proved wrong though.

What is sensible? Rushing through a pile of stuff, and reacting to every provocative suggestion from Badenoch/Farage et al, when he has hardly got his feet under the table yet or waiting to fully understand what he can and cannot do effectively in the short term.

There are probably two more years before he has to start working towards the next GE, and one of his main priorities should be ensuring he wins that, rather than putting in too many quick changes that could, and would, just as quickly be reversed by a right wing coalition government.

It is a pity that Starmer wasted the first two years, but that has also hamstrung Burnham in what he can do to bring about significant, lasting change.

We all have our own individual ideas of what we would like to see brought about, but we have the luxury of not having to actually do anything about it, or not having to balance the costs of all those changes against the competing priorities.

 

[icowden]

There are probably two more years before he has to start working towards the next GE, and one of his main priorities should be ensuring he wins that, rather than putting in too many quick changes that could, and would, just as quickly be reversed by a right wing coalition government.

Actually I think his main priority should be in implementing good policy irrespective of the next general election. Constantly worrying what voters think was the key problem affecting Starmer. Sod the voters - look at what makes good policy and get it enacted - ideally quickly so that people start seeing benefits before the next election.

 

[briantrumpet]

Actually I think his main priority should be in implementing good policy irrespective of the next general election. Constantly worrying what voters think was the key problem affecting Starmer. Sod the voters - look at what makes good policy and get it enacted - ideally quickly so that people start seeing benefits before the next election.

Exactly. Not condemning racist thuggery is not being neutral either. It seemed like an easy one to speak on from the heart immediately for Burnham.

 

[C R]

Burnham learning from Mamdani and doing easy popular wins, this time bringing forward his click-to-cancel plan. Not surprisingly, businesses are moaning. Well, maybe they should have embedded the practice of making cancelling subscriptions really hard so deeply in their systems.

Elsewhere, Burnham is skirting round harder subjects (e.g. Palestine & Palestine Action), or letting failed approaches (e.g. EU Red Lines and Cakeism) stagger on, despite the politics having shifted.

In other words, changing things so that everything stays the same. Blue labour turd rolled in glitter.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Actually I think his main priority should be in implementing good policy irrespective of the next general election. Constantly worrying what voters think was the key problem affecting Starmer. Sod the voters - look at what makes good policy and get it enacted - ideally quickly so that people start seeing benefits before the next election.

Good policy is always a necessity but, other than immediate tax/NI cuts, there are very few significant changes that could take less than 2/3 years to plan properly, legislate and implement for people to see and feel the benefits. Policy has to be about both benefits and costs.

2/3 years is just enough to start getting the foundations laid. It is much quicker to destroy than to rebuild and the last government had 13/14 years to mess things up and build up the antipathy to 'furriner' immigration and the EU, so that will not change significantly in one GE cycle.

 

[briantrumpet]

In other words, changing things so that everything stays the same. Blue labour turd rolled in glitter.

That's my worry, but he'd lessen it if he'd take the easy wins of condemning violence quickly, for instance.