Cruella Braverman...

[glasgowcyclist]

Who would be prepared to take them?

The Falklands?

 

[mudsticks]

I did, but the article states that net migration is up 504,000, of which 73,000 would appear to be asylum seekers / refugees. After that you have people who used to live in Hong Kong and refugees from Ukraine who can settle here because we like people from Ukraine but not from Albania. The remaining half appear to be students who we wouldn't expect to work because they are paying to study.

The roles that we have shortages in tend to be specialist and it takes time to train people, if training places are actually available. Even with something as basic as lorry driving, there was a glut of people wanting to train but not enough trainers or certification centres to actually allow them to train. With Doctors and Nurses you have to have training places available but we just did the Brexit Shitshow without bothering to prepare, without bothering to do due dilligence and without bothering to evaluate the impact. Hence we are now in the shoot.

Yup if we were going to brexit.

Which (surprise surprise) I think was a terrible idea for all kinds of reasons, reasons endlessly rehearsed here.

There should have been clear thought through contingencies put in place to compensate for loss of skilled labour, loss of European trade, and all the rest of the losses.

But given the vote was only advisory, and the government were clearly unprepared for so many people being conned into actually voting brexit, that was never done.

And since then not much of any use has been put into place, ever once it was decided to plough on with this ridiculous exercise in self destruction.

 

[jowwy]

Yup if we were going to brexit.

Which (surprise surprise) I think was a terrible idea for all kinds of reasons, reasons endlessly rehearsed here.

There should have been clear thought through contingencies put in place to compensate for loss of skilled labour, loss of European trade, and all the rest of the losses.

But given the vote was only advisory, and the government were clearly unprepared for so many people being conned into actually voting brexit, that was never done.

And since then not much of any use has been put into place, ever once it was decided to plough on with this ridiculous exercise in self destruction.

what a load of bullshit

 

[stowie]

There should have been clear thought through contingencies put in place to compensate for loss of skilled labour, loss of European trade, and all the rest of the losses.

Pre-Brexit, the UK ran tiered worker visas with the various levels supposedly representing different skill or expected salary levels.

The lower tiers were never enacted which would have covered lower paid jobs or those deemed lower skill sets. This was because EU freedom of movement allowed these to be filled with visa-less access from EU nations.

When Brexit was rolling on, business flagged up many, many times that this needed to changed. The government didn't change it and here we are now.

Many of the vacancies we are finding hard to fill are for jobs that do not fulfil the wage criteria for the work visa program but do require a skillset that cannot be developed quickly. Hence why, after years of being told it will be a problem, the government are looking at other work visa options despite their hard right rhetoric on immigration. And explains the tension between those departments that know we need immigration to fill immediate job requirements to help the economy and those politicians who have aligned with a hard-line approach for political reasons.

 

[mudsticks]

Pre-Brexit, the UK ran tiered worker visas with the various levels supposedly representing different skill or expected salary levels.

The lower tiers were never enacted which would have covered lower paid jobs or those deemed lower skill sets. This was because EU freedom of movement allowed these to be filled with visa-less access from EU nations.

When Brexit was rolling on, business flagged up many, many times that this needed to changed. The government didn't change it and here we are now.

Many of the vacancies we are finding hard to fill are for jobs that do not fulfil the wage criteria for the work visa program but do require a skillset that cannot be developed quickly. Hence why, after years of being told it will be a problem, the government are looking at other work visa options despite their hard right rhetoric on immigration. And explains the tension between those departments that know we need immigration to fill immediate job requirements to help the economy and those politicians who have aligned with a hard-line approach for political reasons.

Well Johnson was famously heard to utter 'fuq business' wasn't he?

Of course, in his position of extreme privelege (and allegedly being a larf down the pub 🙄) he would never have had to spend anytime, addressing such drear topics as 'properly skilled worker availabilty' would he.??

And then of course there were those
'tired of listening to experts'

And now, massively unsurprisingly, it has come to pass, and businesses requiring such labour are properly fuqued.

Well done brexitters 👍🏼

 

[Salty seadog]

what a load of bullshit

Did you see the look of horror on the faces of Johnson and Gove when the result was announced. They knew it was bad.

 

[BoldonLad]

Simple, most of the poor sods are being forced to live in substandard accommodation because no-one can be arsed to process the paperwork.

Only 73,000 of the 504,000 are asylum seekers (including those arriving in rubber boats), according to the article. That would imply to me that 421,000, are arriving with valid paper work, presumably processed on entry at the airport/ferry terminal. So, whilst not condoning the total inefficiency of the Asylum Processing System, it would appear the majority are potentially able to begin work/study etc.

 

[BoldonLad]

I did, but the article states that net migration is up 504,000, of which 73,000 would appear to be asylum seekers / refugees. After that you have people who used to live in Hong Kong and refugees from Ukraine who can settle here because we like people from Ukraine but not from Albania. The remaining half appear to be students who we wouldn't expect to work because they are paying to study.

The roles that we have shortages in tend to be specialist and it takes time to train people, if training places are actually available. Even with something as basic as lorry driving, there was a glut of people wanting to train but not enough trainers or certification centres to actually allow them to train. With Doctors and Nurses you have to have training places available but we just did the Brexit Shitshow without bothering to prepare, without bothering to do due dilligence and without bothering to evaluate the impact. Hence we are now in the shoot.

I assume you. are not a lorry driver

 

[Bromptonaut]

Only 73,000 of the 504,000 are asylum seekers (including those arriving in rubber boats), according to the article. That would imply to me that 421,000, are arriving with valid paper work, presumably processed on entry at the airport/ferry terminal. So, whilst not condoning the total inefficiency of the Asylum Processing System, it would appear the majority are potentially able to begin work/study etc.

The rest are, in no particular order:

• People using legal routes from war zones such as Ukraine
• Others allowed here due to politics etc such as Hong Kongers
• Migrants coming here via skill based visas
• Dependents and spouses of the above
• Students who, for some absurd reason, are counted as immigrants rather than 'customers' of our Higher Education system.

 

[BoldonLad]

The rest are, in no particular order:

• People using legal routes from war zones such as Ukraine
• Others allowed here due to politics etc such as Hong Kongers
• Migrants coming here via skill based visas
• Dependents and spouses of the above
• Students who, for some absurd reason, are counted as immigrants rather than 'customers' of our Higher Education system.

I thought my post covered all of those categories?

I agree reference the students, but, fir what ever reason, they are included in the article.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I thought my post covered all of those categories?

It did. I just intended to expand and particularise.

 

[mudsticks]

One upside of all the WC controversy over one love armbands, Iranian footballers refusing to sing national anthems etc, is to point up some of the reasons people may become asylum seekers in western Europe.

For some reason on other soc'med, I keep getting shown WC threads where extreme homophobia, is being expressed by people from nations where intolerant islamic governments hold sway.

If nothing else it illustrates to people who maybe didn't 'get it' before why people need to leave their home countries, and seek sanctuary elsewhere, for their own safety.

 

[icowden]

I assume you. are not a lorry driver

Good assumption, but we did have a point in time where there were more people waiting to pass their tests than test centre places able to process them. We have now solved the problem by letting more people drive heavier vehicles without the need for additional licensing. Can't see that going wrong at all...

 

[C R]

 

[bobzmyunkle]

I'm surprised Cruella hasn't claimed her policies successful given the reduction in migrants crossing the channel in the last couple of days.