Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

[Stevo 666]

You forgot to mention @Stevo 666's chum Tice. (Who definitely wasn't doing anything illegal, I hasten to say).

So Bobz, from a moral standpoint, how is Polanski's claimed inadvertent error on tax different from Tice's claimed inadvertent error on tax?

(Clue: the answer is not that one is a nice cuddly leftie tree hugger and the other is a nasty rightie business person).

 

[BoldonLad]

Out of interest, does a similar situation apply to Caravans, ie those on sites permanently (whatever that means) pay, those on “touring” sites don’t pay (Council tax)?

 

[Stevo 666]

The same as on you beating your wife.

‘Dodging’ implies you believe it was deliberate evasion even before the jury is out…or has even been convened.

I wasn't asking you.

 

[BoldonLad]

I am sure councils have discretion on how they treat people in this situation. I think it's not really an issue, just shows double standards c.f. Rayner as just one example.

The electoral register thing seems more serious to me.

I have not encountered that situation, personally, but, Daughter No4 has. There was little discretion. One month late, warning letter, second month, court summons for entire annual balance.

 

[Psamathe]

Out of interest, does a similar situation apply to Caravans, ie those on sites permanently (whatever that means) pay, those on “touring” sites don’t pay (Council tax)?

Is the situation for caravans more complex. From what I've seen in UK a lot of longer term sites have a planning constraint meaning they can only be occupied for 11 months each year is can't be permanent residences.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Out of interest, does a similar situation apply to Caravans, ie those on sites permanently (whatever that means) pay, those on “touring” sites don’t pay (Council tax)?

With canal boats there is the concept of "continuous cruising" within legislation. It is an option when the annual licence is paid. I'm not sure whether you can register a caravan on the same basis.

As an aside, what constitutes continuous cruising is a controversial subject which attracts strong opinions from many sides.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

(Clue: the answer is not that one is a nice cuddly leftie tree hugger and the other is a nasty rightie business person).

The answer is that one has been defended by the 'nasty righties' and one hasn't.
16:26, haven't you got homework to do?

 

[PurplePenguin]

I doubt anyone cares, but this is the government's advice. The key point is it depends how often you swap moorings and how often you cruise. Dan Neidle made no reference to this guidance, and ignored someone who pointed it out.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/council-tax-manual/council-tax-practice-notes

Where a marina with berths contains both moored pleasure boats and boats whose occupants use them as sole or main residences the outcome may on the facts be either a composite hereditament, a combination of composite hereditament and separate domestic hereditaments or indeed separate domestic hereditaments leading to separate bands .


The presence of a composite hereditament may be indicated by identifying the following features;

• Where boats that are occupied as an individual’s sole or main residence do not have a permanent right to any specific mooring
• Evidence that boats which are an individual’s sole or main residence are actually physically moved on at least two occasions a year.
• The boat that is an individual’s sole or main residence must be moved to a different berth not merely out and shortly afterwards returning to the same berth.

The presence of separate domestic dwellings within the boundary of the marina but not included in the composite hereditament would be indicated by ;

• A boat that is the sole or main residence of an individual remaining on the same mooring for more than 12 months. If in that time it left for a few days , then it returned to the same mooring the few days away would be considered de minimus and by virtue of sec 66 (5) it would be domestic.
• If while the boat is away the marina operator temporarily puts another boat on the mooring; but the berth holder always returns to his original berth, this would indicate a separate hereditament by virtue of the boat owners ability to exclude others and hence rateable occupation.
• Where a marina operator reserves the right to move boats to different moorings but actually does not exercise the right.

It is possible on the facts to find both a composite hereditament and one or more separate domestic hereditaments in the same marina. The final decision to find a composite or not must rest with the specific facts of each case.

 

[First Aspect]

With canal boats there is the concept of "continuous cruising" within legislation. It is an option when the annual licence is paid. I'm not sure whether you can register a caravan on the same basis.

As an aside, what constitutes continuous cruising is a controversial subject which attracts strong opinions from many sides.

You could do this with a caravan but if you get quite damp.

 

[BoldonLad]

With canal boats there is the concept of "continuous cruising" within legislation. It is an option when the annual licence is paid. I'm not sure whether you can register a caravan on the same basis.

As an aside, what constitutes continuous cruising is a controversial subject which attracts strong opinions from many sides.

I am not a caravanner, but, to the best of my knowledge, until recently, caravans did not have to be registered in UK. However, from this year, towing a UK caravan in the EU requires that it is registered ( as was already the case for our EU cousins). Another Brexit benefit as I understand the situation.

 

[Stevo 666]

The answer is that one has been defended by the 'nasty righties' and one hasn't.
16:26, haven't you got homework to do?

The silence on Polanski from the leftiebollox brigade is deafening. Especially from the condescding twats

 

[Psamathe]

The silence on Polanski from the leftiebollox brigade is deafening. Especially from the condescding twats

???
I'd have expected people to put me in the "leftie" category and I've been fairly outspoken an pretty critical of Polanski's failings. So not exactly "deafening silence", just maybe people selectivity ignoring posts that don't fit with pre-conceived ideas?

 

[briantrumpet]

The silence on Polanski from the leftiebollox brigade is deafening. Especially from the condescding twats

Maybe you should keep up a bit more. There have been discussions since Monday, along with @PurplePenguin defending Polanski against Neidle. Though you don't specify who gets the honour of calling themself a condescending twat.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/does-anybody-here-take-the-greens-seriously.784/post-177322

 

[Rusty Nails]

I wasn't asking you.

I'm not sure you understand how internet forums work.

DMs are handy for private posts.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Maybe you should keep up a bit more. There have been discussions since Monday, along with @PurplePenguin defending Polanski against Neidle. Though you don't specify who gets the honour of calling themself a condescending twat.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/does-anybody-here-take-the-greens-seriously.784/post-177322

And I just dislike Neidle...