First Aspect
Legendary Member
He probably wasn't correctly registered, so this seems reasonable.
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He probably wasn't correctly registered, so this seems reasonable.
First Aspect
Legendary Member
If the government advice is the stuff on temporary moorings, I'm not sure if there's a contradiction.
The analogy would be for a "continuous cruiser" to continuously cruise by moving along the towpath by the length of the boat.
What is actually enforced is not always the same as what is enforceable.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
It appears so, even if nowhere near the Farage magnitude or consequence. I struggle to understand why he'd take the risk.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
But why lie about it?
First Aspect
Legendary Member
The list of harmless fibs is getting fairly long, isn't it.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Exactly. They are also pointless. So why does he do it? There's no gain, only potential loss when discovered.
First Aspect
Legendary Member
Psamathe
Legendary Member
He's a chancer. Believes he can talk his way through. When I was young "wide boy" was the expression (maybe meaning different these days).
briantrumpet
Timewaster
It always worries me when someone can lie easily, even if the lies seem inconsequential. It bemuses me. But then, I am easily bemused.
PurplePenguin
Senior Member
The government's advice deals with this specific issue i.e. whether a boat has a permanent mooring based on how often it moves. I posted it before.
How continuous cruising is defined in law and how it is enforced is a debate that has run for at least 30 years. There are interesting elements, but I doubt anyone here cares.
laurentian
Regular
The people I know that live on narrowboats with a continuous cruising licence can stay in one place for two weeks.
PurplePenguin
Senior Member
That's the undisputed bit. How far they then need to move and how long until they return are the points of disagreement.
icowden
Pharaoh
The rule - according to the Rivers and Canals Trust is that you should be continuously cruising. This means that you should be moving on every few days and not staying at any mooring for more than 14 days. Most managed moorings (i.e. near to towns) are 5 days or less anyway. Secondly, you should be travelling - so ping ponging between two or three moorings isn't allowed.
Unfortunately enforcement of the rules is quite limited. Ultimately you can be refused a license and have your boat removed from the waterways, but I suspect that seldom happens. I know it's taken years of working with the Evironment Agency, the R&C Trust and the Police for anything to be done about the slum boats and wrecks in the Hampton Court area.
First Aspect
Legendary Member
Allegedly there's government guidance on people moving between moorings of a marina. I don't think there is, and a cursory Google search throws up lots of solicitors articles about this being a complex area and please pay us for some advice.
This suggests to be honest that PP is right to suggest that his nemesis Dan Niedle is being overly definitive, but wrong that he's gone as far as contradicting government guidance.
Purely on this issue (and not on other complications such as permanence of a person's residence on a bot, availablity for others to use etc) I do also think that Niedle is correct that moving around a marina to evade council tax that would otherwise be due is probably something that would fall in a councils favour in court, simply on the grounds that UK statutes are construed purposively.
If the purpose of a statute is clear but a strict legal interpretation leads to absurdity, the purposive interpretation is adopted. So, assuming (and it is an assumption) that 10 permanently moored boats in a marina would each incur tax, then I suspect a purposive approach would be applied to whether or not they ceased to be "permanently moored" if they all get together with each other or the marina to swap places and try to avoid it.
First Aspect
Legendary Member
The how far I've covered below, the how long is irrelevant if they don't move far enough.
