Donald I, emperor of the world.

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icowden

icowden

Shaman
C R said:
As I said, a very low bar to hit. At the time Dubya was considered the dumbest president yet, some achievemen, considering the Reagan experience. Of course, Trump beats them both easily.
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The 2024 Presidential Greatness survey has Dubya Bush at 32, Trump at 45 (worst ever), Reagan at 16, Biden at 14 Obama at 7. Top 3 are Lincoln, FD Roosevelt and Washington.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

Regular
Pinno718 said:
I wasn't calling you cynical. I said that because many people just assume all politicians are corrupt.

Do you need to ask the question?
I mean, if they are connected with Epstein, then they were involved.

What has transpired is that no one really knows how Epstein made his fortune. There are over 4700 wire transfers of money all with Epstein at the epicentre. Epstein seems to have laundered money and acted as a money mule. We do not know how many of those transactions were for money laundering and how many transactions were for 'services provided'. My gut feeling, is that Epstein held lots of information about his clients as 'insurance'.
Epstein showed Michael Woolf a whole picture album of Polaroid pictures sometime in the early 2000's. The pictures were of his 'clients' in semi-compromised situations. Maybe it served as a brochure.
We all know paedo's take vicarious pleasure in filming sexual acts. We know that Epstein had CC TV in all of his properties.
Therefore, one can only assume that any videos acted as proper insurance and we don't know if the clients knew that they were on CC TV. Perhaps they were reminded if they showed any signs of 'mis-behaving' or defaulting. Who knows?

I think Epstein's carved out a role for himself . He could provide a duality of services - handling money and providing gratification services. [I'll eat my hat if Trumps bit coins are a not a direct result of seeing how digital currencies hide many sins having learnt from Epstein. DT hasn't got an original idea in his head]
I think Ghislaine (very much in love with Epstein, that there is no doubt) would do anything for him but simultaneously was the key: she had the charm to sucker in the girls. One woman (former model) very recently had said that she was bought into the whole charade by GM in a matter of hours. She said "She [GM] made you feel special, made you feel like you were part of something big. Remember, a lot of these girls were aspiring models (Casablancas, Elite Model Management?).

So anyone involved with Epstein at a high level, was either money laundering or being 'serviced' or both as far as I am concerned.

The question for me is: Who were his clients? The money; I don't give a damn. It's simply a huge collection of very useful leads. Global money laundering by the super rich involving legal means including tax avoidance is rife and requires international agreements to go some way to reaching fairness. The sexual exploitation and those involved in it however, is of paramount importance because it's the rich getting away with heinous crimes. People are jailed int he UK for having inappropriate photographs on their computers (to provide proportion).
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It's frankly astonishing, the right wing conspiracy theorist nutjobs went on about Clinton and a Democrat led paedophile ring operating out of pizza parlour whilst Epstein was literally operating one from his many palatial mansions allegedly involving people that the conspiracy nutjobs actually voted for. No wonder the MAGA loons are now quite mad with Donnie boy over this!
 
Pinno718

Pinno718

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C R said:
Reagan got lucky that the Soviet Union collapsed during his tenure, otherwise history may not have been that kind to him.
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Dunno. He brokered the Iceland summit agreement:

The Iceland Summit, held in Reykjavik in October 1986, was a crucial meeting between US President Ronald Reagan and Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev. Although it didn't result in any immediate treaty signings, it laid the groundwork for the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty) signed in 1987. The summit focused on arms control, specifically the reduction of nuclear weapons, and despite failing to reach an agreement on all issues, it significantly advanced the dialogue and understanding between the two superpowers, contributing to the end of the Cold War.
 
Pinno718

Pinno718

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C R said:
Didn't a once Barclays top boss end up disgraced because of his proximity to Epstein?
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Well remembered:

Mr Staley was forced out in November 2021 after UK regulator, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), found he had failed to accurately disclose the nature and length of his relationship with Epstein to the Barclays board and the FCA in 2019.
 
Pinno718

Pinno718

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From the producer of the dispatches documentary "The Prince and the paedophile" and why Richard Sanders thinks the Epstein files will never be released.
He had numerous phone calls with Virginia Giuffre in 2019. Epstein had links with the CIA and Mossad. he is convinced Epstein had 'compromat' in the form of photo's and videos. Trump was often around and moved in the same sleazy circles as Epstein recalled Giuffre.
Alexander Acosta who became Trumps secretary in Trumps first administration was the US attorney for Southern Florida. had apparently been told when Epstein was arrested in 2007 and again in 2008 "Leave Epstein alone, he's with 'intelligence' ".

Slightly at a tangent: It was well known Robert Maxwell had extensive links with Israeli intelligence. He was buried in Jerusalem and 6 former Israeli intelligence heads attended.

Giuffre was abused by Epstein himself and Ghislaine. Giuffre recalled how many of these men - world leaders, businessmen etc were sadistic and wanted to hurt her. One of her abusers almost killed her. All the girls felt that the 1% club thought that they were above the law. She was furious when she watched the Prince Andrew interview.
Sanders had a copy of the black book. There were hundreds of names in the book. Epstein was not custodian of this book, Ghislaine was.
Epstein worked in finance before being fired for fiddling expenses and then later on ran a pyramid scheme alongside a man called Hoffman was later jailed. Epstein was also in the arms business (which is where he probably made a lot of connections).
When Epstein was arrested after a long investigation on 2007, they amassed a huge amount of evidence. Epstein got a sweetheart deal where it was said, if he had been poor and black, he would never have left prison but instead got a year on day release where he was able to go to his office and work from there. So he received a punishment which in no way reflected the crimes he committed.

All the people listed below are some of the people in that black book.

Alan Morton Dershowitz US lawyer
Bill Clinton - (whom Epstein apparently had 20 different phone numbers for)
Prince Andrew
Peter Mandelson(?!) (affectionately called 'Peaty' by Epstein). Mandelson is pictured with Epstein shopping and cooking and at social events. They're not pictures of them standing side by side at public events.
Ehud Barak former Israeli prime minister

Purportedly, Prince Andrew paid £12m to Giuffre's trust. As it was noted, that money didn't come from Prince Andrew, it came from us; the taxpayer. The Prince never earned £12m in his life. So we the taxpayer have paid for Prince Andrew's crimes.

Giuffre "I may not have remembered the name or the exact location but believe me, you never forget the face pf a disgusting old man grinding away on top of you".
 
Pinno718

Pinno718

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WTAF?

Trumps doing:

Trump posts AI video of Obama being arrested after Gabbard’s coup claims: ‘No one is above the law’​

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ma-arrest-ai-video-truth-social-b2792710.html

He also posted a video of a young, scantily clad woman. You dirty old man! Die in pain you c*nt.
 
Pinno718

Pinno718

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Rick Wilson (Bluesky?) reports:

JD Vance had a secret meeting with Lachlan and Rupert Murdoch - he wasn't going there to shut down the Epstein stories but to negotiate succession coverage.
"Any MAGA who thinks JD Vance would never screw Trump, does not know JD Vance".

We now know what many of us thought way back.
 
briantrumpet

briantrumpet

Veteran
Pblakeney said:
'No one is above the law'
You'd like to think that could bite him on the bum but I fear it won't.
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The Supreme Court explicitly put him (as President) above the law. He could literally order troops to shoot Democrats, and if he argued that he was carrying out an official act, then that's fine. Literally.

I think about 70% of their recent judgements have been on the 'shadow docket': they just publish a judgement with no explanation and no scrutiny. The only comments have come from dissenting opinions, some of which have been justifiably excoriating, when the judgements have gone directly against the Constitution (e.g. birthright citizenship).
 
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