Donald I, emperor of the world.

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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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Isn’t there a significant possibility that he will “punish” the UK if BBC don’t roll over?, Starmer, or who ever, may then have to decide between taking the economic thrashing or giving the BBC a kicking, to appease the orange baby.

It does not have to be about winning in court, he just wants to appear the big man.
 

Pross

Well-Known Member
Reports I've seen are that he is intending to sue in Florida not through UK courts.

But surely you need to have some kind of jurisdiction? If a court in Florida rules in his favour how are they going to ensure the BBC hands over the $1 billion rather than telling them where to go? What next, Putin suing through a Moscow court because the British media are saying nasty stuff about him?
 

Pross

Well-Known Member
He's notorious for not actually paying his lawyers...

I have been instructed by my client, President Trump, to inform you that you have until 10.00pm on Friday 14th November to apologise for this HOAX and CORRUPT comment about him. He has paid all his lawyers BIGLY PERFECT sums of money. If you do not apologise we will be suing for $100 quadrillion.
 

Psamathe

Guru
But surely you need to have some kind of jurisdiction? If a court in Florida rules in his favour how are they going to ensure the BBC hands over the $1 billion rather than telling them where to go? What next, Putin suing through a Moscow court because the British media are saying nasty stuff about him?
I can't argue legal basis or juridstriction (I'm now lawyer) but

From the same Reuters article
... but the case could hinge on whether anyone in Florida watched it online and felt misled.
If that hurdle is cleared, a U.S. court would need to decide whether Britain's biggest broadcaster intentionally deceived viewers.
...
WHY ISN'T TRUMP SUING IN THE UK?
UK law requires defamation cases to be filed within a year of a statement's publication, which has already passed for the October 2024 documentary.
The upper limit for libel damages in the UK is about 350,000 pounds ($469,735.00), but in practice they rarely approach that amount. In the U.S., payouts have reached as much as [$1.4 billion.
 

icowden

Shaman
just saw this from the emptycity
https://emptycity.substack.com/p/the-letter-the-bbc-could-send-back

Dear Sirs

We refer to your letter.

As a preliminary point, it is accepted that the edited video in the Panorama programme was an error which should not have been made by the production company or approved by us for broadcast. We apologise for that error both to our viewers generally and to your client in particular. It was a failure of commissioning, journalistic and editorial standards. The programme has been removed from our iPlayer online platform and it will not be broadcast again with the error.

But failures of commissioning, journalistic and editorial standards do not by themselves give rise to a legal claim. We have looked carefully at your client’s claim as set out in your letter, and for the reasons below that claim is denied.

Your letter provides no evidence that your client was aware of the programme when it was broadcast or for at least a year afterwards. If your client maintains this claim please disclose evidence for our pre-action inspection that your client was aware of the broadcast before the press coverage of the last two weeks. Please also inform us when you were first instructed in respect of this complaint. In your letter you are anxious that we retain relevant documents, and so we presume you also have relevant documents about your client’s awareness of the programme. If you do have such evidence, please confirm that is the case.

The programme was not broadcast in the United States generally or Florida in particular. Our programmes on iPlayer are not available in the United States. Please provide any evidence for our pre-action inspection that the programme was watched by any person in your jurisdiction. Again, given the document retention requirements you set out in your letter, you presumably have retained such documents. And again, if you do have such evidence, please confirm this is the case.

You state in your letter three times that your client has suffered “overwhelming financial and reputational harm”. This is presumably on the Beetlejuice principle that it you say something three times it somehow appears. But your letter contains no evidence of either financial or reputational harm, let alone both. And your letter certainly fails to provide evidence of any harm being “overwhelming”. Given that your client was actually re-elected to the presidency within days of this programme being shown (in the United Kingdom but not the United States) there is no obvious harm that was suffered by your client.

If you do have any evidence of the alleged harm, either “overwhelming” or at all , and if your client continues with this claim, please provide that for our pre-action inspection. Please also provide evidence that the programme was “widely disseminated throughout various digital mediums, which have reached tens of millions of people worldwide”.

Talking of “tens of millions” you provided no basis whatsoever for the figure of one billion dollars. Please confirm whether this is a billion in an English or an American sense. As the figure seems arbitrary, please provide your workings out of the quantum. As it stands, the figure has no more meaning than a demand for one trillion dollars, or for one dollar.

Both your client and the BBC believe in the value of freedom of expression. Your client benefits from the constitutional and other legal protections for free speech in the United States. The BBC also should have the benefit of the same protections. We made a mistake for which we have apologised and undertaken not to broadcast again. But this should not be a matter for the courts.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Yours faithfully
 

PurplePenguin

Active Member
But surely you need to have some kind of jurisdiction? If a court in Florida rules in his favour how are they going to ensure the BBC hands over the $1 billion rather than telling them where to go? What next, Putin suing through a Moscow court because the British media are saying nasty stuff about him?

Warning this is a dull answer. There are a variety of conventions which allow judgements in one country to be enforced in a streamlined fashion in another country. I don't think the US and UK are signatories to the same one, so having obtained a final judgement in Florida, Trump would need to start a new case in the UK for payment of the debt. The BBC would have limited grounds to appeal against the Florida judgement.

Alternatively, the BBC probably has some US assets that Trump could enforce the judgement against.

In the case of a debt arising in Russia, the BBC would be able to oppose the enforcement on the basis that Russia didn't have jurisdiction, wasn't fair etc.
 

secretsqirrel

Active Member
The obvious move by the BBC would be to make a documentary about the legal case.

I think a mockumentry would be more fitting with a classic BBC defense all ready.

“It was all the right words, but not necessarily in the right order”.
 

laurentian

Member
Breaking at the BBC

"

Epstein email says Trump was 'dog that hasn't barked'published at 14:30
14:30​


One of the emails released today by House Democrats concerns direct correspondence between Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

An email from Epstein to Maxwell in April 2011 reads: “I want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump.. [Victim] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. Police chief. etc. im 75 % there."

Maxwell replies: "I have been thinking about that…”
 
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