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Donald I, emperor of the world.
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CXRAndy
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Xipe Totec
Something nasty in the woodshed
I didn't vote for Trump
No, but you do smear peanut butter all over yourself while looking at AI-generated Trump nudes. It's pretty much the same thing.
Hiya Loon(Y). Tell me, how's it going for the SNP these days? Weren't they your populist party of choice back in the day?
Pinno718
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I am pretty centrist but that's by the by. Though, in the states, I would would be classed as a woolly Marxist, leftist liberal such is their lack of political understanding.
So you are not making the discernible difference between UK voters and US voters?
It is starkly evident that MAGA's are self serving and everything they do is egotistical and justified by a) god and b) their supremacy (upheld by that religious belief). I do not see that parallel en masse in the UK or Europe. Not enough to sway the vote. In the US, if the bible bashers as a collective, do not align themselves (bar Obama) with a Presidential candidate, that person will not become president.
That has huge domestic and global implications. The implication also, is that over the past 249 years, religion has shaped American politics. You tell me what the similarities with the UK are.
You are also making the assumption that if I read say, a Guardian article, I am unaware of the bias. So therefore, I am being manipulated. I will listen to Times Radio who are unilaterally anti-Trump yet, the Times Radio is ostensibly a Tory bugle.
Yeah, everyone thinks they're a centrist. If you think there's a problem with the leaders being elected under the current system in America (or the UK come to that) then what solutions do you propose?
Ian H
Squire
Very different systems in the two countries. US presidents are not elected by popular vote.
The UK could do with a well-thought out proportional voting system. Both countries would benefit from serious restrictions on fund-raising and spending.
And no, I'm not centrist.
Pinno718
Well-Known Member
No, I posted a few short responses to people suggesting that Reform voters were thick. Rather than entering into tit for tat and point scoring (apart from Orraloon who deserves it) I thought I'd try to illicit some constructive replies. If you think my asking one simple question is relentlessly pursuing you for evidence then I can't help you. FWIW I agree that political fund raising needs a coat of looking at, not convinced on PR however.
Pblakeney
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PR is a disaster as it becomes a talking shop coalition that gets nothing done.
Last years have shown that massive majorities are a disaster as the wrong things get done. In the UK the parties divide and conquer themselves.
On balance I prefer PR. Status quo is preferable to mismanaged leadership making everything worse.
But the leading party is not going to be that turkey voting for Christmas.
Last years have shown that massive majorities are a disaster as the wrong things get done. In the UK the parties divide and conquer themselves.
On balance I prefer PR. Status quo is preferable to mismanaged leadership making everything worse.
But the leading party is not going to be that turkey voting for Christmas.
Perhaps. The challenge for the established parties is to win them over with policies that meet some of their needs. Talking down to them and dismissing them as xenophobic thickos didn't help win the EU referendum did it?
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