Donald I, emperor of the world.

[monkers]

I think I've got under your skin enough for one evening, judging by the number of tries you've had 😉

Not even slightly Stevo ... I gave your leg the gentlest of friendly pulls, but you can't stop yourself from reacting. Let it go.

 

[pinkbikini]

There is something to be said for not having to subsidise (for example) smokers and fat bastards who eat junk/do no exercise then expect someone else to pick up the tab. One big problem with the NHS is the 'free bar' syndrome and there are other models out there which are somewhere between the US version and ours - and arguably better.

I took pressure off the state education system by not using them, even though I funded them. There is something to be said for not having to subsidise (for example) greedy bastards who earn plenty of money then expect someone else to pick up the tab for their child’s free education.

Freeloading works both ways 😀

 

[icowden]

I'm not arguing it's the best, just making the point that an annual premium of $7.5k is as bad as it seems for someone who pays a fair bit of tax in the UK. This isn't a wider debate about the relative merits etc. Not for me anyway.

But that's just the premium. You also have to pay the co-pay. And then that only covers what your insurer is prepared to cover and you have to pay cash for the rest. Of course, if you have any pre-existing medical conditions you can expect those to be excluded or limited for coverage. And then your coverage may not cover you for all hospitals...

It's an absolute shoot show.

 

[icowden]

Ever heard of BUPA? Luckily my company pays and I get seen way quicker for things like my collar bone break than if it was on the NHS.

I presume this was for follow up physio or some such as collarbones don't normally need any treatment other than a sling.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1948492399941964145?t=t_ukrJoCZBadjg59ytDQfA&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

I use private hospitals for consultation, scans whether they be Xray, MRI, ultrasound etc. I'd rather spend a few hundred to a few grand for an immediate assessment than wait upto a year to find out something on the NHS.

It shouldn't be that way, the NHS should be for British people

 

[Pinno718]

He can write medical War and Peace there.

["You probably think this thread is about you"]

You didn't answer my points.
You got brought down with some good arguments.
You came in with the usual 'I'm alight jack, i'm better than you, I have private healthcare paid for by my company. More people should be clever like me'.
You get asked direct and indirect questions and you don't answer them, you just duck and weave.
And no I am not jealous of you having private healthcare - the NHS saved my life more than once.
I gave specific examples of the effect of Medicare cuts and it's too long for you, oh diddum's. It's only financial stuff and my waffle I like to read as it's the bottom line that's the most important factor in life, not some lefty contradicting me, it's so tiresome.
Off you go to the brand new thread Brian has made for you. There's a good boy. You can have a monologue, perhaps invite some friends over for some locker room talk.

 

[briantrumpet]

I hope Scotland gives him the welcome he deserves today. I like the way they neither mention his name nor the fact that he's POTUS.

 

[BoldonLad]

The beauty of the US healthcare system is rich people get good healthcare, medical insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies make huge profits which help maintain the income of shareholders, and it's only poor people who die simply because they can't afford decent healthcare, and as we all know, poor people are a drain on the economy that keeps rich people rich.

What's not to like?

FWIW, at rough reckoning, my present condition treatment & upcoming procedure would cost north of $100k in the US. Think of those shareholder profits!!

I am not advocating the American "healthcare" system, but, does that statement stack up with reality?

For many years (not recently I believe), America had higher average life expectancy than many countries, including the UK

Presumably, as in UK, "the rich", or "wealthy" are a smaller fraction of the population than "the poor" (lets say 10%/90%)

Why didn't American "healthcare" produce lower life expectancy figures than (say) UK?

Just an idle thought, I am sure an "expert" will be along shortly to explain.

 

[Pinno718]

The lawsuit against the WSJ doesn't seem to have been completely effective in getting them to back down.

No, and Paramount just launched the new series of South Park


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1xR3Xidq84


The plot summarised: Jesus comes to South Park School (more religion in schools). Jesus wants to sit at the same table as Cartman et al at lunchtime They say no. Jesus complains to the Head. The head complains to Trump. Trump threatens to sue South Park School. SPS can't afford to pay and agree to do some Trump campaigning.
Cuts to Trump walking across the desert to a voice over saying how long and how hard it has been for Trump to get here but Trump starts stripping off as he's parched and staggering (picture AI rather than cartoon). Trump gets down to his undies and then eventually they come off and now he's crawling, collapses. He comes round lifting his head to the noise of his tiny penis talking to him.

 

[BoldonLad]

I have private cover too.
But I don’t buy the argument that it takes pressure off the NHS.
The consultants are almost always NHS staff so could be working elsewhere. You just jumped the queue.
And a bit like the “fast pass” at Disney land, if too many people buy it, it isn’t much quicker and the non buyers suffer most.

How ethical of them, they make "shareholders" look good 🙂

 

[C R]

No, and Paramount just launched the new series of South Park


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1xR3Xidq84


The plot summarised: Jesus comes to South Park School (more religion in schools). Jesus wants to sit at the same table as Cartman et al at lunchtime They say no. Jesus complains to the Head. The head complains to Trump. Trump threatens to sue South Park School. SPS can't afford to pay and agree to do some Trump campaigning.
Cuts to Trump walking across the desert to a voice over saying how long and how hard it has been for Trump to get here but Trump starts stripping off as he's parched and staggering (picture AI rather than cartoon). Trump gets down to his undies and then eventually they come off and now he's crawling, collapses. He comes round lifting his head to the noise of his tiny penis talking to him.

I've seen another scene where Trump takes Saddam's place in bed with Satan (those old enough to have seen the original South Park movie will know the scene)

 

[briantrumpet]

I've seen another scene where Trump takes Saddam's place in bed with Satan (those old enough to have seen the original South Park movie will know the scene)

Yep, that scene is in the Bluesky link, though not being a SP-watcher, I didn't get the reference.

 

[Pinno718]

I've seen another scene where Trump takes Saddam's place in bed with Satan (those old enough to have seen the original South Park movie will know the scene)

Yes, it's in that short clip. They really go to town on the small weener theme.

 

[briantrumpet]

I am not advocating the American "healthcare" system, but, does that statement stack up with reality?

For many years (not recently I believe), America had higher average life expectancy than many countries, including the UK

Presumably, as in UK, "the rich", or "wealthy" are a smaller fraction of the population than "the poor" (lets say 10%/90%)

Why didn't American "healthcare" produce lower life expectancy figures than (say) UK?

Just an idle thought, I am sure an "expert" will be along shortly to explain.

Incorrect - despite its much lower per capita spend on the NHS, the UK has consistently matched or been better than the US, I think because life expectancy of the poor is disproportionately worse in the US, including higher infant mortality.

Anyway, this is a discussion for the health systems thread, as it's not yet Trump-specific, but expect infant mortality in the US to rise significantly if vaccine usage is reduced because of RFK Jnr.