Donald I, emperor of the world.

[AuroraSaab]

Read the fact checking and see if you still feel justified in some of the things you've said about him or whether you've just swallowed whole what your tribe has told you what to think.

It's easier to repeat something you've read on the internet than look at the source material.

Stephen King has 6 million X followers and, without even fact checking, posted that Kirk wanted gay people stoned to death.

There's something about social media that turns people into idiots.

 

[CXRAndy]

Stephen King has 6 million X followers and, without even fact checking, posted that Kirk wanted gay people stoned to death

And Cookie regurgitated that same accusation. Gloated at Charlie Kirks death.

 

[Rusty Nails]

There's something about social media that turns people into idiots.

Agreed. And there’s something about idiots that makes them search out and see social media as any true guide to the truth…not mentioning any names.

For example, returning to Charlie Kirk, do not look at biased social media extracts of his debates with passionate but over-excitable young students, but look at say a full debate like the recent one at the Cambridge Union…especially the last debate where he was taken to pieces by a calm, older person based on facts not rhetoric.

 

[C R]

Agreed. And there’s something about idiots that makes them search out and see social media as any true guide to the truth…not mentioning any names.

For example, returning to Charlie Kirk, do not look at biased social media extracts of his debates with passionate but over-excitable young students, but look at say a full debate like the recent one at the Cambridge Union…especially the last debate where he was taken to pieces by a calm, older person based on facts not rhetoric.

You and your facts.

 

[matticus]

It's easier to repeat something you've read on the internet than look at the source material.

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Stephen King has 6 million X followers and, without even fact checking, posted that Kirk wanted gay people stoned to death.

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There's something about social media that turns people into idiots.

Not sure this is related to the Trump campaign to allow gay sex: can anyone find evidence of this admirable campaign more recent than Feb 2019? (when he was clearly just using it to bash Iran over the head)

 

[briantrumpet]

More free speech, from WaPo. Doing Trump's bidding at every turn now, it seems. A black woman? How dare she.

https://karenattiah.substack.com/p/the-washington-post-fired-me-but

 

[AuroraSaab]

…especially the last debate where he was taken to pieces by a calm, older person based on facts not rhetoric.

Which is how it should be, and the kind of debate he was open to having.

 

[CXRAndy]

Agreed. And there’s something about idiots that makes them search out and see social media as any true guide to the truth…not mentioning any names.

For example, returning to Charlie Kirk, do not look at biased social media extracts of his debates with passionate but over-excitable young students, but look at say a full debate like the recent one at the Cambridge Union…especially the last debate where he was taken to pieces by a calm, older person based on facts not rhetoric.

Are you talking about the black lad talking about South Africa?

Charlie Kirk said almost immediately, he knew very little of detail on the subject.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

More free speech, from WaPo. Doing Trump's bidding at every turn now, it seems. A black woman? How dare she.

https://karenattiah.substack.com/p/the-washington-post-fired-me-but

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One thing that has taken me aback over the last few years is just how utterly spineless a large number of major media outlets have become. Not only that, many are now implicated in doing the bidding of their bosses and their political associates. I find the number of journalists both here and the US who are willing to go along with it equally as depressing.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Are you talking about the black lad talking about South Africa?

Charlie Kirk said almost immediately, he knew very little of detail on the subject.

I was talking about the last debate with someone who based it on facts not rhetoric. He was white, not that that is relevant, and he was certainly past being a lad which is more relevant.

 

[CXRAndy]

I was talking about the last debate with someone who based it on facts not rhetoric. He was white, not that that is relevant, and he was certainly past being a lad which is more relevant.

Why dont you link to the point you're trying to make. We can all then watch

 

[Rusty Nails]

Why dont you link to the point you're trying to make. We can all then watch

I did say the last individual debate in the full debate. About 5/10 mins before the end. You can ff to the end or preferably watch the full debate. Neither is difficult to do.

Search for: Charlie Kirk + Q&A / Debate | Cambridge Union

This is interesting comment on his debates with US college students.:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/centrist/comments/1l0iin0/why_did_charlie_kirk_seem_to_not_do_well_when/

 

[Shortfall]

Agreed. And there’s something about idiots that makes them search out and see social media as any true guide to the truth…not mentioning any names.

For example, returning to Charlie Kirk, do not look at biased social media extracts of his debates with passionate but over-excitable young students, but look at say a full debate like the recent one at the Cambridge Union…especially the last debate where he was taken to pieces by a calm, older person based on facts not rhetoric.

Do you actually mean that you agreed with the old fella and disagreed with Charlie Kirk? There was a robust exchange of views, both made interesting points and they shook hands at the end of it. Exactly how debates should be conducted. What didn't happen was for Charlie Kirk's opponent in the Cambridge debate to just shoot him in the neck and kill him stone dead because he disagreed with him. Surely the point here is that many people are basing their opinions of Charlie Kirk on a caricature that's been fed to them by their social media algorithm. They haven't done their own research and they're regurgitating myths that have been debunked. I mean even Alistair Campbell has admitted he was wrong ffs which must be a first. There are people on this site however that are so desperate for his murderer to be a disenchanted MAGA nut that they'll quote any old slurry from X if it reinforces their bias. Where is the humanity here? We saw the same thing when Trump nearly had his head blown off and it was just one big joke to some people. Have we really sunk so low that it's ok if random nutters kill the people whose politics we disagree with and we can have a good laugh at it?

 

[CXRAndy]

I watched the debate, Charlie Kirk acquitted himself very well, across a whole range of topics.

There were no gotcha moments. Where he lacked finer details on certain aspects, he talked in general terms that people should aspire to try harder to achieve their aims in life and not resort to the politics of envy. He gave good examples of the Asian population of the US, being the most, high achievers and wealthy, despite being a tiny proportion of the country. He talked of the Jews being extremely successful the world over, despite being largely oppressed, exterminated by the millions in the last century.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Do you actually mean that you agreed with the old fella and disagreed with Charlie Kirk? There was a robust exchange of views, both made interesting points and they shook hands at the end of it. Exactly how debates should be conducted. What didn't happen was for Charlie Kirk's opponent in the Cambridge debate to just shoot him in the neck and kill him stone dead because he disagreed with him. Surely the point here is that many people are basing their opinions of Charlie Kirk on a caricature that's been fed to them by their social media algorithm. They haven't done their own research and they're regurgitating myths that have been debunked. I mean even Alistair Campbell has admitted he was wrong ffs which must be a first. There are people on this site however that are so desperate for his murderer to be a disenchanted MAGA nut that they'll quote any old slurry from X if it reinforces their bias. Where is the humanity here? We saw the same thing when Trump nearly had his head blown off and it was just one big joke to some people. Have we really sunk so low that it's ok if random nutters kill the people whose politics we disagree with and we can have a good laugh at it?

I totally agreed with the ‘old fella’ , who I thought based his argument on facts not rhetoric.

I agree that people have rushed to call Robinson a MAGA fanboy, and that is what he was, and other things much more extreme, in the same way as others are desperate to out him as a woke trans based on the shite from X and TikTok, before the facts are known.

It is not right that people, none on this forum that I see, have glorified his death or believe that controversial views justify his murder, but that is where social media seems to bring the worst out in many.

Especially in the US where Trump legitimised the use of violence in pursuit of your political aims with his actions when he lost the 2020 election. He has done more to divide America than any politician in recent memory.

From my pov Kirk was a snake-oil salesman who repeated the same rhetoric and used his long experience of live debating techniques to bamboozle inexperienced and over-excitable students in his home turf of a public arena with his well-rehearsed shallow gotchas.