CXRAndy
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I'd like to see some sort of hybrid insurance and free care. Other countries achieve it
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Pblakeney
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Yes, they do. Although I did miss out the word "some" people.
Well without the "some" it's meaning is completely changed. Anyway, can we at least drop the pretence that the NHS is the envy of the World and the only alternative is a US system? The NHS is actually a bit sh1t if we're being honest and there are plenty of alternative funding models that work well elsewhere.
BoldonLad
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Exactly. Nothing wrong with learning from what others do. Maybe learn that is not how you want to do it, or, maybe learn how you can improve things.
First Aspect
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A lot of people find the insurance model superficially appealing. But the maths is dreadful. Plus, the private equity vampires are moving in, pushing up costs and pushing down outcomes. I really can't imagine a worse model.
If the figures posted in Illinois are accurate (they won't be I wouldn't have thought) the result will not be people paying that. Most people get health insurance through employment, so it will push down wages - same as the NI hike is doing here. Most of the rest will just get lower levels of insurance, the effects of which won't be seen for some time.
If the figures posted in Illinois are accurate (they won't be I wouldn't have thought) the result will not be people paying that. Most people get health insurance through employment, so it will push down wages - same as the NI hike is doing here. Most of the rest will just get lower levels of insurance, the effects of which won't be seen for some time.
Pinno718
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Those not covered by the corporate umbrella will realise the costs immediately, surely?
Psamathe
Veteran
Interestingly some of UK has experienced what happens when insurance companies get involved. When I was younger we paid vet bills ourselves. But pet/vet insurance policies became commonplace and costs went through the roof (both for self-pay and insurance claims).
When I lived in France vet bills were staggeringly low (pet/vet insurance pretty well unknown back then).
Pinno718
Über Member
The NHS was a good model. It's just that we have an ageing and less fit population so the NHS is busting at he seams.
Whatever 'model' exists within societies with different demographics. I don't think any 'model' would work if it doesn't successfully promote the ethic of prevention: a fitter, more active population with a better diet.
Good luck with that one.
Whatever 'model' exists within societies with different demographics. I don't think any 'model' would work if it doesn't successfully promote the ethic of prevention: a fitter, more active population with a better diet.
Good luck with that one.
Pblakeney
Über Member
Which is a clearer way of making my point.
As soon as profit is brought into the equation then the figures escalate.
Pinno718
Über Member
There has to be sufficient return or the venture is not worth investing in and because of that, costs will escalate.
Pblakeney
Über Member
Exactly.
First Aspect
Über Member
Yes, but likely not what the democrats are claiming and possibly not immediately. That's the thing about insurance. You only suffer from being underinsured when it's too late.
All uphill
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Unless the private model is more innovative and efficient than a state run industry.
Pblakeney
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icowden
Shaman
I give you the water industry as a counterpoint.
To be fair the Water companies have been very efficient in extracting every possible ounce of cash into parent company accounts and they have done it in quite an innovative way.
