EU & Brexit Bunker

[Psamathe]

So if you will forgive the ignorance, where does member state l ratification come in?

My understanding (and anybody correct me if wrong) is thatEU trade deals are a European Commission power and no country can veto.

Ian

 

[Stevo 666]

My understanding (and anybody correct me if wrong) is thatEU trade deals are a European Commission power and no country can veto.

Ian

Correct - The European Commission has the power to decide and sign trade deals so member countries cannot veto the US deal.

 

[CXRAndy]

All done by a person not voted for by the European people

 

[First Aspect]

Correct - The European Commission has the power to decide and sign trade deals so member countries cannot veto the US deal.

Jesus that's awful, no wonder we left.

 

[Stevo 666]

Jesus that's awful, no wonder we left.

With hindsight it is a Brexit benefit as the UK got a better deal.

 

[Psamathe]

Correct - The European Commission has the power to decide and sign trade deals so member countries cannot veto the US deal.

Jesus that's awful, no wonder we left.

Why so?
European Commission President nominated by European Heads of State and elected by Parliament (as elected by us - plenty of democracy there)

Each proposed Commissioner goes through appropriate committee scrutiny then must get elected by the European Parliament (as democratically elected by us from our votes on ballot papers).

All nominated and approved (by majority votes) by our representatives we democratically elected.

Just look at UK, where we don't get to vote for PM, don't get to vote for Home Secretary, don't get to vote for any Cabinet Ministers, don't get to vote for any Junior Ministers, don't get to vote for MP sitting on the various official committees, etc. If fact UK is worse as PM is often chosen by a Party receiving less than half the General election votes then our elected representatives have no say in Cabinet Ministers nor Junior Ministers. at least in EU the Parliament gets a say in each of the senior posts.

And as for countries not having a veto on trade deals; does Scotland have a veto on Starmer making a trade deal, or Wales. In fact do any of our elected representatives get a vote on Starmer making a trade deal (other than the constituency of Holborn and St Pancras).

So in practice EU is more democratic than UK.

(Unless I have misunderstood the EU electoray processes - which is quite possible).
Ian

 

[briantrumpet]

Why so?

I think you might not have worked out @First Aspect's sense of humour, and that he never uses emojis.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Or it could be because he's ended up with more colouration on his nose.

jup ifit doesn't swing your favour it's always the messenger right?

I would be surprised if the (in)famous negotiating process the EU goes through would allow a long-termly terrible deal, unless the 'terrible deal' is what they want Trump to think it is, but that'll turn out OK in the end (or just be unravelled once he's gone).

I suspect that all of these 'trade deals' will end up being the starting point of endless detailed negotiations to hammer out details, as Mr Penguin suggests, and before anyone really signs anything 'definitive' Trump will be dead or so away with the fairies he'll be signing his name with the contents of his diapers.

it's called copium. Whatever those detailed negotiations entail, i suspect they try the stretch it to the next US (a death Trump means Vance who is 10 times worse) administration, which is considering Eu's gigantic speed of things not really an challenge.

 

[briantrumpet]

Well, I suppose it makes a change from blaming Harold Wilson or Obama, if you're a Tory (or Reform, if there's any difference).

Tony Blair it is then.

And actually interesting that Thatcher is well down the list, even for 2024 Labour voters.