EU & Brexit Bunker

[briantrumpet]

Obviously signifying nothing beyond the curent skirmish. That said, I'm not hearing any shrieks about 'betraying Brexit' from the usual media suspects, or cries about UK sovereignty. A dilemma indeed for them.

 

[C R]

Obviously signifying nothing beyond the curent skirmish. That said, I'm not hearing any shrieks about 'betraying Brexit' from the usual media suspects, or cries about UK sovereignty. A dilemma indeed for them.

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Has Orban said anything either way?

 

[briantrumpet]

Has Orban said anything either way?

Not that I can see, though Trump is trying to woo him to join the $1bn 'peace club'.

 

[C R]

Not that I can see, though Trump is trying to woo him to join the $1bn 'peace club'.

The nice part about this Trump plan is that the Israeli settler lunatic ministers are annoyed with Trump, and on a path that may piss him off.

 

[briantrumpet]

A Brexit benefit, maybe, in a roundabout way...

 

[PurplePenguin]

Presumably he thinks that Canada would be better off economically as part of the US, so he seems to be valuing sovereignty more highly now.

 

[briantrumpet]

Presumably he thinks that Canada would be better off economically as part of the US, so he seems to be valuing sovereignty more highly now.

I think you need to read his speech a bit more carefully - there's quite a lot of nuance in there. It used to be a mutually beneficial arrangement where one wasn't threatening to take the other over or strongarm it into being subsumed.

 

[First Aspect]

Presumably he thinks that Canada would be better off economically as part of the US, so he seems to be valuing sovereignty more highly now.

Don't forget culture. Whatever being Canadian means to any particular Canadian, they do feel quite strongly about it being something other than, and better than, American. The average Canadian is certainly more open, tolerant and self effacing than the average American, and there seem to be far fewer issues with race, gun violence, violence and corruption. There is a more left leaning liberal social responsibility also. In the US there is this too, but it is up against an eat what you kill culture.

 

[briantrumpet]

Don't forget culture. Whatever being Canadian means to any particular Canadian, they do feel quite strongly about it being something other than, and better than, American. The average Canadian is certainly more open, tolerant and self effacing than the average American, and there seem to be far fewer issues with race, gun violence, violence and corruption. There is a more left leaning liberal social responsibility also. In the US there is this too, but it is up against an eat what you kill culture.

Interestingly, despite the antipathy between the French and English speaking constituencies, apparently the French side now have a much more positive view of Carney than the French-speaking Conservative Poilièvre. Carney apparently does do bits in French, and it's OK but not great.

 

[Pblakeney]

Interestingly, despite the antipathy between the French and English speaking constituencies, apparently the French side now have a much more positive view of Carney than the French-speaking Conservative Poilièvre. Carney apparently does do bits in French, and it's OK but not great.

A couple of thoughts on this. The Quebecois know what it is like to be vastly outnumbered by another culture, and trying to protect their own.
Also, while some/most(?) do not want to become English Canadian instead of Canadien all of them certainly to not want to become American.

Poilievre is a Republican stooge on a similar level to Farage. He even lost his seat and had to be parachuted into another.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I know a few Canadians who consider themselves more European and not American. It means a lot to them too.