EU & Brexit Bunker

[Psamathe]

We will NOT be joining the EU in my lifetime as the conditions would be unacceptable so campaigning is pointless.

Question of balance of numbers. for me the conditions to (re) join now would most likely be acceptable (eg join €, no budget rebates). But those conditions might persuade some who would return to previous membership basis to be unhappy about basis needed today.

Ian

 

[CXRAndy]

You mean you think the Union will break up? Absolutely never going to happen.

World events are changing so fast, that it's a real possibility world war will be upon us

 

[Pblakeney]

Question of balance of numbers. for me the conditions to (re) join now would most likely be acceptable (eg join €, no budget rebates). But those conditions might persuade some who would return to previous membership basis to be unhappy about basis needed today.

Ian

That is my point. Most would probably agree to go back under the old conditions but those conditions will never be available again.
Some may be willing to accept the new terms but most will not when faced with losing the Pound etc.

Buyers remorse.

 

[briantrumpet]

That is my point. Most would probably agree to go back under the old conditions but those conditions will never be available again.
Some may be willing to accept the new terms but most will not when faced with losing the Pound etc.

Buyers remorse.

As I said over on CS, I think the next longish period will be one of numerous 'minor technical improvements' to ease trade. Maybe somewhere down the line the relationship will have improved and stabilised, and the generation of rabid Brexiters literally died off, enough so that the prospect of an even closer relationship doesn't hold the toxicity that it's had. Yep, probably not going to be in my lifetime, but I'd like to see some progress before I pop my clogs.

 

[Pblakeney]

As I said over on CS, I think the next longish period will be one of numerous 'minor technical improvements' to ease trade. Maybe somewhere down the line the relationship will have improved and stabilised, and the generation of rabid Brexiters literally died off, enough so that the prospect of an even closer relationship doesn't hold the toxicity that it's had. Yep, probably not going to be in my lifetime, but I'd like to see some progress before I pop my clogs.

My thinking too.

 

[Xipe Totec]

World events are changing so fast, that it's a real possibility world war will be upon us

If I had any self-control, I'd avoid the temptation to observe that you sound a little bit like you might be realising that your incoherent, geriatric, sexually incontinent, white-supremacist criminal orange hero might be starting to pose a tiny risk to global stability.

But I don't.

 

[briantrumpet]

I hope we're ready to celebrate the anniversary... what a long way we've come in just nine years!

 

[Xipe Totec]

I hope we're ready to celebrate the anniversary... what a long way we've come in just nine years!

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Oh, so that was the Brexit Done Right we never got!

No wonder the BinBurners are all so furious!

 

[icowden]

Some may be willing to accept the new terms but most will not when faced with losing the Pound etc.

I'm pretty sure that we could rejoin without joining the Euro. That said, my money is in numbers on a card these days.

 

[Pblakeney]

I'm pretty sure that we could rejoin without joining the Euro. That said, my money is in numbers on a card these days.

The EU disagrees. Monetary union is a condition.
https://enlargement.ec.europa.eu/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership_en

 

[Stevo 666]

I did ask before but you keep saying ‘most people don’t care’. What is that based on?

From wat I can see and hear.

If you think it's not the case, what is your view based on?

 

[icowden]

The EU disagrees. Monetary union is a condition.
https://enlargement.ec.europa.eu/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership_en

I can't see anywhere on that page where it is stated as a non-negotiable condition. I can see many other places on other web pages where it is stated that adopting the Euro is not a direct and immediate condition of joining the EU. Even the EMU doesn't require that a member state adopts the Euro.

 

[briantrumpet]

I can't see anywhere on that page where it is stated as a non-negotiable condition.

IIRC somewhere it's stated that acceding countries "should commit to joining the Euro", but that the formulation could leave wiggle room for how long the process takes (which is open-ended, not specified.)

 

[Pblakeney]

I can't see anywhere on that page where it is stated as a non-negotiable condition. I can see many other places on other web pages where it is stated that adopting the Euro is not a direct and immediate condition of joining the EU. Even the EMU doesn't require that a member state adopts the Euro.

"...including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."
If you believe that we can negotiate our way out of that then you are more of an optimist than me.
Not hard, I'll grant you. 😂

 

[briantrumpet]

"...including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."
If you believe that we can negotiate our way out of that then you are more of an optimist than me.
Not hard, I'll grant you. 😂

"Aims" is as slippery a word as 'aspiration'. It'll all depend on how awkward the EU want to be, given they'll set the terms, should we ever get that far.