Pblakeney
Legendary Member
I fully expect a hard blow-back, then a u-turn.
Something this big should go to a vote.
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I fully expect a hard blow-back, then a u-turn.
Something this big should go to a vote.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
FWIW. (I wonder if he's noticed that the EU Project has still not been brought down... if anything, it's looking rather more assured after tonight.)
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
Sovrinty innit. Best not to be going to forrin places.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...randed-Milan-airport-border-check-queues.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...randed-Milan-airport-border-check-queues.html
Blazing Saddles
Well-Known Member
That’s the second occurrence. There was a flight a month or so back from the Canaries.
I am worried as I have trips booked in May and June. Between this and the tangerine twats nonsense.
Brexit: the gift that keeps on giving…….shït.
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
There have been big issues at Geneva all winter, and at other ski airports too. 2+ hour delays to get from the aircraft through passport control, and then long delays on the return causing flight delays or missed departures.
The relevant border forces hand airports have chosen not to staff their passport control adequately to cope with the passenger numbers, which are very easy to predict.
If the departure gate only comes up 60 minutes before departure and then there is one passport officer on duty, it's either a flight delay or stranded passengers.
The implementation of EES has been a massive cockup on the part of the EU, and its full implementation is being delayed yet again as 6 hour queues were being anticipated at summer holiday airports.
Even if we had stayed in the EU, being outside Schengen was going to mean issues in te future as the EES is a prelude to their visa system that was due to be brought in next year, which we would still have needed, and will no doubt be another massive cockup.
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
I can understand delays on entry as you need to register. Surely exit should be automated, with limited queues? I guess I'll find out in July.
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
No it isn't automated as you still need your passport stamped until such time as they can get EES to work at all entry / exit points in the Schnegen area.
The process for leaving is go to a booth to sign out, then pass through an e-gate, then go to the human to get your passport stamped.
The booths are very tempremental, and often don't work first time.
It has often taken 30-45 minutes to get through exit passport control at ski airports this winter when returning home.
It will be significantly worse for summer holiday destinations.
If you have an EU passport, enter and leave Schengen on it.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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There will be an act to enable use of 'Henry VIII' powers on which parliament will vote.
To my mind it's the increasing prevalence of the powers rather than their use regarding EU alignment that's a worry.
To my mind it's the increasing prevalence of the powers rather than their use regarding EU alignment that's a worry.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
I'm hoping that my decision to go to my place by Eurostar will mean not-crazy queues, as Eurostar have an incentive to get trains with the right passengers away on time.
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
No more of an incentive than any airline to do the same...
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
Except the airlines are all in it together, whereas Eurostar have a dedicated system just for them.
Pross
Veteran
Agreed. I didn’t want us to leave but the (slight) majority did so we can’t make such a big move just on the say so of the Cabinet
Ultimately being aligned is a pragmatic choice and makes a mockery of choosing to leave, giving away our seat at the decision making table.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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I'd accept that if the referendum was on a choice of Remain v Hard Brexit.
It wasn't; a lot of the leave campaigners suggested a Norway solution where we're out of 'political' union but retain single market.
icowden
Pharaoh
I'm pretty sure that only 37% of eligible voters voted for leave, and only 3 out of 5 constituent countries (including Gibraltar).
It should be fine.
The Referendum was not legally binding and was an assessment of opinion. Even if you accept the 52% 48% "win", the result should have been not to enact it, but to carry out feasibility studies, economic assessments and then present that back to the country, possibly with a second vote.
Proceeding on such a close vote without any planning or assessment was completely reckless.
Pblakeney
Legendary Member
Agreed on the basis of Brexit but this is a wider issue. Side stepping parliament should be a red flag.
