EU & Brexit Bunker

[wakemalcolm]

Obviously I wasn't going to be able to resist for long.

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I wonder how many of those dead voters are still eligible to vote.

 

[AuroraSaab]

A lot of those who voted Yes on joining in 1975 will have been dead by a decade or two later. We didn't have a do over. I doubt you'd be saying the same if the position was reversed. I wasn't pro Leave but this kind of argument is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Rusty Nails]

A lot of those who voted Yes on joining in 1975 will have been dead by a decade or two later. We didn't have a do over. I doubt you'd be saying the same if the position was reversed. I wasn't pro Leave but this kind of argument is pretty ridiculous.

Doesn't necessarily follow. If patterns of voting had not changed significantly it would have been the younger people who predominantly voted to join and the older people who voted not to, so the people who voted no would have died out.

The Brexit vote was ideally timed for peak Boomer participation and we are now a vanishing breed.

At the current time we are in a better position to understand both sides of the argument as most voters will have experience of life inside and outside the EU, and there now 'appears' to be a majority who preferred it inside.

I agree that it is probably a bit too soon to rejoin and we need to have a few more years experience of the lack of tangible benefits from Brexit and suffer a bit more being going back with our tail between our legs.

Either that or go the whole hog and ask Trump can we be the 51st state (or the 52nd or 53rd depending on Trump taking over Canada and Greenland) to save our civilisation from the barbarians in our midst.

 

[Pblakeney]

A lot of those who voted Yes on joining in 1975 will have been dead by a decade or two later. We didn't have a do over. I doubt you'd be saying the same if the position was reversed. I wasn't pro Leave but this kind of argument is pretty ridiculous.

I take it that you see no point in having elections every 4 or 5 years?
After all, the electorate have decided.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I take it that you see no point in having elections every 4 or 5 years?
After all, the electorate have decided.

That's the normal cycle of UK elections and a change of government causes less upheaval than leaving/joining the EU so hardly equivalent. Do you think we should vote on the EU every 4 years then? We were told it was a once in a lifetime vote.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I agree that it is probably a bit too soon to rejoin and we need to have a few more years experience of (life outside the EU...)

Agreed. Let's see where we are in a few years time and make the stay out/rejoin case on sensible arguments like the economy, not 'Well the Leavers are probably all dead by now'. If the vote had gone to Remain we wouldn't be giving such a daft argument the time of day.

 

[CXRAndy]

The Brexit vote was ideally timed for peak Boomer participation and we are now a vanishing breed.

It was a coincidence, Cameron, etc expected to win.

The vote in 1970s was to join a trading block, nothing else .

 

[Pblakeney]

We were told it was a once in a lifetime vote.

No, we were not. We weren't even told that it was binding. We were told it was advisory.
FWIW, I don't think we should have a vote on the EU as it would be a massive waste of time and money given what the terms would be.
We should however be negotiating trade deal as an ongoing basis.

 

[AuroraSaab]

No, we were not. We weren't even told that it was binding. We were told it was advisory.

Yes, you're correct. It was actually a 'once in a generation decision' (not once in a lifetime) according to the UK government's leaflet that we all got through the letterbox. Which also says they would implement what we decided.

FWIW, I don't think we should have a vote on the EU as it would be a massive waste of time and money given what the terms would be.
We should however be negotiating trade deal as an ongoing basis.

I agree we should work towards a better trade deal but re running the post vote debate after so long doesn't help. We are where we are.

 

[Pblakeney]

Yes, you're correct. It was actually a 'once in a generation decision' (not once in a lifetime) according to the UK government's leaflet that we all got through the letterbox. Which also says they would implement what we decided.

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I agree we should work towards a better trade deal but re running the post vote debate after so long doesn't help. We are where we are.

Yeah well, David Cameron was stupid on multiple levels. He was complacent and that complacency probably brought about the above. Pity he is not the one paying the price. Reminds me of Farage wanting a second referendum when he thought it was going wrong.

 

[TailWindHome]

Yes, you're correct. It was actually a 'once in a generation decision' (not once in a lifetime) according to the UK government's leaflet that we all got through the letterbox. Which also says they would implement what we decided

This government isn't bound by anything the previous government said.

 

[TailWindHome]

The EU won't let the UK rejoin unless it's stated policy of parties likely to form the government in the forseeable future.

Certainly not on a 52:48 voye.

It's not going to happen.

 

[briantrumpet]

The EU won't let the UK rejoin unless it's stated policy of parties likely to form the government in the forseeable future.

Certainly not on a 52:48 voye.

It's not going to happen.

It's a long way down the line, for sure, especially if there's even a hint of Reform forming a government or part of it, or even just political instability (on either side of the Channel). The only way it'll happen is if there are lots of incremental steps that take the UK much much closer to a de facto CU or whatever, with time for those steps to become accepted and trusted by both sides. We burnt our bridges, and when even a Labour government is appearing very luke-warm, progress is going to be slow.

 

[Pross]

The EU won't let the UK rejoin unless it's stated policy of parties likely to form the government in the forseeable future.

Certainly not on a 52:48 voye.

It's not going to happen.

Even if it did we’d be in a weaker position than our original membership allowed. We’ll never get that back unfortunately.

 

[First Aspect]

Even if it did we’d be in a weaker position than our original membership allowed. We’ll never get that back unfortunately.

Ah it's okay though, because by the time we get back in we'll be so poor we will benefit from subsidies from Poland.