Free speech

[AndyRM]

Trump on Thursday...

"I have read some place that the networks were 97% against me, again, 97% negative, and yet I won and easily [in last year's election]," the president said.

"They give me only bad publicity [and] press. I mean, they're getting a licence. I would think maybe their licence should be taken away."

 

[Rusty Nails]

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[CXRAndy]

Trump on Thursday...

"I have read some place that the networks were 97% against me, again, 97% negative, and yet I won and easily [in last year's election]," the president said.

"They give me only bad publicity [and] press. I mean, they're getting a licence. I would think maybe their licence should be taken away."

Don't you think there is an agenda when he Trump did win convincingly, yet mainstream media mainly were and are extremely negative towards him.

He was even banned from social media for a very large portion of his comeback period.

Only when Elon Musk broke the dam on social media did things change

 

[AndyRM]

The short answer is "No".

 

[Rusty Nails]

Don't you think there is an agenda when he Trump did win convincingly, yet mainstream media mainly were and are extremely negative towards him.

He was even banned from social media for a very large portion of his comeback period.

Only when Elon Musk broke the dam on social media did things change

Trump and his backers were clever in that they understood the growing importance of social media, where facts are less important than the ability to spout populist slogans that don't require people to think.

MSM is at a disadvantage in that it doesn't give you answers without having to think beyond a gif or a twitter post. As you are a prime example of.

 

[icowden]

"Speaking after her release, Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch compared Connolly's treatment to that of those who took part in riots following the Southport attack.
"Her punishment was harsher than the sentences handed down for bricks thrown at police or actual rioting," Badenoch said on X.
"Protecting people from words should not be given greater weight in law than public safety. If the law does this, then the law itself is broken and it's time Parliament looked again at the Public Order Act."

In 2020 the then DPP stated:

Max Hill QC, the Director of Public Prosecutions, said: “All crime has a terrible impact on victims but hate crime is especially nasty because it targets people for who they are. It has no place in today’s Britain.

“I support the excellent work done during National Hate Crime Awareness Week and all year round and encourage anyone who has been a victim or witnessed a hate crime to report it to the police.

“As prosecutors we will take cases to court and apply for higher sentences to take account of the hostility that drove offenders. It won’t undo the harm done but victims can be reassured that the justice system is working as it should.”

Lucy Connolly pled guilty to hate crime. She was sentenced accordingly. She made her bed. She lay in it. If she did not believe that she was inciting racial hatred she had every right to plead not guilty.

 

[icowden]

Its only the left who dont like free speech and try to censor, legislate, criminalise it.

Remind me who just took Jimmy Kimmel off the air?

 

[Xipe Totec]

Remind me who just took Jimmy Kimmel off the air?

Yeah but he DESERVED it, he ASKED for it.

HE SAID BAD STUFF ABOUT POOR SAINT CHARLIE or something.

 

[CXRAndy]

Remind me who just took Jimmy Kimmel off the air?

The network took Kimmel off the air. Please post me a link to trump authorized his removal

 

[CXRAndy]

In 2020 the then DPP stated:

Lucy Connolly pled guilty to hate crime. She was sentenced accordingly. She made her bed. She lay in it. If she did not believe that she was inciting racial hatred she had every right to plead not guilty.

I understand she was threatened to be on remand for upto a year. The day she was arrested. Promised to plead guilty would be the best choice.

Coerced she was

 

[AndyRM]

Bollocks, that is, Yoda.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Bollocks, that is, Yoda.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I'm not a free speech absolutist and I think the law as it stands in the UK is about right. There is a caveat to that however in that I don't think Lucy Connolly should have been jailed for her Tweets about migrant hotels. Yes she pleaded guilty to inciting racial hatred but there was clearly some collusion between Starmer and the Judiciary to hand down exemplary sentences to prevent an escalation of the rioting.

Collusion like that doesn't happen; Judicial independence is absolute.

Deterrent sentences like that handed to Connolly and others have always been part of the aftermath of serious riots etc.

 

[secretsqirrel]

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I CANNOT accept that the great Yoda bats for the other side.

He is way too woke.

 

[Shortfall]

Collusion like that doesn't happen; Judicial independence is absolute.

Deterrent sentences like that handed to Connolly and others have always been part of the aftermath of serious riots etc.

Fine I'm happy to withdraw that suggestion. On free speech (and freedom in the wider sense) and the accusations of a rise in fascism under the Trump administration from what we'll have to call "the left" I'm struck by how so many of the people who are angry at Trump's rhetoric on what he calls a hostile media and liberal establishment were often the same people who remained curiously silent when Nigel Farage was getting debanked, the Canadian Truckers had their bank accounts frozen and Graham Linehan had his career stolen and his life destroyed (for telling the truth as it happens). I haven't been here long enough to know who that might be in this particular forum but it's certainly true of some of the BR refugees.