Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

Now you're talking out of your arse. Women have their own changing rooms, toilets and refuges because the selfish men wouldn't share theirs? GTF.

Ooh outrage. Now read and learn.

Co pilot what is the history of women's spaces in Britian?

The history of women-only spaces in Britain is deeply tied to social change, gender equality movements, and the evolving role of women in public life.

Victorian Era & Early 20th Century​

• In the 19th century, women’s access to public spaces was heavily restricted. Many areas—such as clubs, restaurants, and even toilets—were designed exclusively for men2.
• The Ladies' Lavatory Company opened the first women’s public toilet near Oxford Circus in 1884, marking a significant step toward women’s independence.
• Women’s social clubs emerged, such as the University Women’s Club (founded in 1883), providing spaces for professional and educated women to gather.

Mid-20th Century: Expanding Women's Spaces​

• The Young Women’s Christian Association (YWCA) played a major role in creating safe spaces for women, offering shelters and social clubs.
• Women’s workplaces and public facilities gradually became more inclusive, though many still faced barriers in male-dominated environments.

Modern Era: Women-Only Spaces & Advocacy​

• Today, women-only spaces continue to serve as safe environments, particularly for survivors of domestic abuse and sexual violence.
• Organizations like Kyra Women’s Project advocate for the importance of women-only spaces, emphasizing their role in fostering support, healing, and empowerment.

 

[monkers]

Your female friends can't consent for the other women who also use that space though, Ian. When 3rd unisex spaces are provided I expect they will be happy using those and leave the Women's for women who aren't.

This pretence that the law hasn't been clarified by the supreme court and men, all men, can't be excluded from women's spaces and services under the Equality Act is just an attempt to use the forum to spread misinformation.



... and we're back to 'only men with a GRC are really trans'. A man with a certificate is still a man, both in material reality and under the Equality Act.

If there were statistics that showed that men with green eyes had a low offending rate, should that mean that men with green eyes - but no other men - are allowed in women's spaces and services? Of course not because that would be absolutely nuts.

No we are back to the law. Since the GRA a trans woman with a GRC has a birth certificate. She becomes for all purposes a female person and a woman.

Yes there are exceptions, and there are exclusion, but exclusion is a high bar decision, not a low one - and again blanket bans are unlawful.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It's literally in your own 'evidence' why women need single sex spaces.

 

[monkers]

This is Dr Victoria McCloud. She is a well-respected former High Court judge and former Master of the Court of Administration.

She is intending legal action in the European Court of Human Rights.


View: https://youtu.be/IPU6XN4lOvw

 

[monkers]

It's literally in your own 'evidence' why women need single sex spaces.

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Listen fruitloops. I'm tired of your twisting. I provide an answer to Mickle's question including the word ''legacy'' - that doesn't mean more recently or ''modern times'' that you chose to cherry pick.

• In the 19th century, women’s access to public spaces was heavily restricted. Many areas—such as clubs, restaurants, and even toilets—were designed exclusively for men.
• The Ladies' Lavatory Company opened the first women’s public toilet near Oxford Circus in 1884, marking a significant step toward women’s independence.

The statement was as accurate as a short answer need be.

Understand that prior to 1884 there were no women's public toilets in the UK. They were only provided for men.

Nowhere have I said that women do not have a right to be safe - we absolutely do.

However you have spectacularly failed to bring evidence to your false allegations of serious wrongdoing by trans people with a GRC.

Bring the evidence Aurora, or retract.

 

[CXRAndy]

Bring the evidence Aurora, or retract

She has, by linking males and trans being in prison

 

[monkers]

She has, by linking males and trans being in prison

Oh poor you.

She has not.

She tried. She failed.

 

[CXRAndy]

Oh poor you.

She has not.

She tried. She failed.

No, you ignored the fact

 

[monkers]

No, you ignored the fact

What fact?

Aurora didn't produce a relevant fact.

Perhaps you'd like to try as Aurora sure can't.

How many trans women with a GRC are in prison for assaulting a woman in a publicly accessible toilet?

 

[CXRAndy]

Just to help you with the current situation, that your 'friends' must follow

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com...ctical-implications-uk-supreme-court-judgment

 

[CXRAndy]

What fact?

Aurora didn't produce a relevant fact.

Perhaps you'd like to try as Aurora sure can't.

How many trans women with a GRC are in prison for assaulting a woman in a publicly accessible toilet?

They are all TiMs with or without a piece of paper.

Therefore they are all grouped together for sexual offences.

 

[monkers]

They are all TiMs with or without a piece of paper.

Therefore they are all grouped together for sexual offences.

idiot.

 

[AuroraSaab]

'How many men with a grade B at O'level in Russian are in UK jails for sex offences? Because if it's not many then every man with a grade B at O'level in Russian should be allowed in women's spaces'.

This is the level of your logic. It's ridiculous. They're still men.

Another pool association makes the Women's comp for women again.


View: https://x.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1919016866850144688

 

[monkers]

'How many men with a grade B at O'level in Russian are in UK jails for sex offences? Because if it's not many then every man with a grade B at O'level in Russian should be allowed in women's spaces'.

This is the level of your logic. It's ridiculous. They're still men.

Another pool association makes the Women's comp for women again.


View: https://x.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1919016866850144688

More false equivalence bollocks.

You claim that it is dangerous to allow trans women with a GRC into women's toilets because so many of them are predators.

That's a serious allegation. Now provide the evidence.

Bring it or retract it.

 

[AuroraSaab]

No, I don't. I claim that men identifying as women have the same risk of being offenders as any other man. Most significantly though, they are still men, just the same as other men.

Your claim is that there is a special subset of men who should be treated differently from other men. This is based on 1. Saying they are women and (more recently) 2. Having a certificate.

This is clearly illogical and in hundreds of posts you have yet to prove why it should be the case that some men get preferential treatment.