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'Please use the facilities appropriate to your sex or the mixed sex ones' = Genocidal intent

Labour Party this week finally making it clear that trans identifying men 'cannot stand as part of all-woman shortlists, be elected as women’s officer, or attend a women’s branch meeting'.

https://archive.ph/2025.07.15-16575...politics/2025/07/15/labour-party-trans-women/

Also this week, new government guidance for schools will hopefully be a step towards removing activist outside providers and their unevidenced material from schools.

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...chools-england-sex-gender-identity-government

'....schools “should not teach as fact that all people have a gender identity” and must avoid any suggestion that social transitioning offers a “simple solution” to feelings of distress or discomfort......schools should avoid using cartoons or diagrams that “oversimplify”, that could be interpreted as being aimed at younger children, or that perpetuate stereotypes or encourage pupils to question their gender."'

Watered down from early stages but let's hope it brings an end to the Genderbread/Gender Unicorn nonsense.

Importantly, parents must be given access to the materials used so they can see what their children are being told.
 
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monkers

Squire
'Please use the facilities appropriate to your sex or the mixed sex ones' = Genocidal intent

This was sent to a member of my team today, by women who are ''pissed off''. This woman is a member of a group of women who are organising against Starmer due to his tin ear.

🚨 It Was Never About the Toilets​

They told everyone safety for women and girls was the goal. That women and girls needed protection—from strangers in public spaces, from “the unfamiliar and the strange others,” shadowy figures stitched together with ideology and with fear. And yet the danger was never where they pointed - it was down the hallway, or up the stairs. Yes. It was in the home. In Parliament. In palaces and private jets. That is where it lurked all along, and where it continues to lurk.

We demanded the guarantee of refuge for women and girls vulnerable to physical and sexual abuse, but were handed rhetoric about ''public spaces''. . We asked for justice, but were handed judgments that erased an innocent group of people who like us had the protections of privacy and dignity.. We asked for funding, frontline support, education, and restorative care— instead suspicion was deflected to trans women as the real perpetrators. Now all women and girls are open to suspicion and scrutiny and invasive checks. We asked for sanctuary, you gave us surveillance.

The facts are not murky:

  • 💔 Most harm against women and girls in the UK happens in domestic spaces, from men they know.
  • 🚫 The presence of trans women in public toilets is statistically irrelevant to violence outcomes.
  • 📣 The myth of the “bathroom threat” is a diversion—an ideologically funded panic dressed as policy.
So who profits from misdirection?

  • 💰 Billionaires with cultural sway and political access.
  • 🧠 Evangelical think tanks exporting exclusion as strategy.
  • 🏛️ Governments eager to posture as protectors while they quietly abandon survivors.
This is not precaution. It’s profiling. It reframes rights into weapons.


✊ A Manifesto for Proportionality and Truth​

We demand a shift—away from symbolic vilification and toward evidence-based protection:

  • 🚨 Name the true risk: unchecked male violence and institutional complicity.
  • 🧬 Protect all identities from erasure, not just the ones deemed “legible” by power.
  • 🛠️ Fund survivor-led services and community accountability.
  • 📊 Use data—not dogma—to shape policy.
  • 🤝 Rebuild solidarity between cis and trans women, between truth and care, between trauma and transformation.
We will not be misled by toilet politics. We will not trade justice for jurisdiction. And we will not stand by while “safeguarding” becomes a cloak for discrimination.
 

matticus

Guru
AI is only as good as the source material it ingests. Generally speaking the pro-trans articles do tend to be more thought out and better written than the TERF rhetoric. Hence Grok went all Hitler after Musk fiddled with it.

Just out of idle curiousity ...which user posting on this thread do you think is the closest parallel to Elon Musk - in terms of his/her views affecting the "source material" that the AI ingests?
 

monkers

Squire
There is no solidarity, one is a woman the other is a man.

Wishful, fanciful attempt to sway women's opinion into allowing males into their spaces.

Not happening

This is you a man(?) saying that women can not campaign for what they want using the authoritarian line ''not happening''. This is not empathy, it is an attempt at control of women. You see yourself in the role as the setter of standards. This is the profile of a fantasist.

You might want to note that the sender is a disaffected woman who was active within Women's Place UK. She campaigned for action on the violence against women and girls. ''Instead'', she states '' I was swept along and captured by a tide of trans hate. We have made no progress. Little has changed. The Supreme Court decision has not made women and girls safer. It has redistributed blame. The system protects the criminals because it comprises of men with the same basic instincts as the criminals it protects.''

There is no solidarity, one is a woman the other is a man.

Therefore your supposed solidarity with women can not be real, and it is as I have already said, a false flag attempt to control women and shape them in accord to your fantasy.
 
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monkers

Squire
The fallout following a celebrated decision. The perpetrators of crimes against women not tackled; but girls under surveillance from other girls. Women and girls losing trust in each other. There were warnings.


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monkers

Squire
The date on that appears to be 7th Feb?

Yes it does, because it is. The process did not begin in April 2025 - that was the culmination. Would you like to understand not just the fall out of the decision on the lives of trans people, which I will assume is obvious, but how the more far-reaching effects of the UKSC decision on parliamentary sovereignty, and therefore democracy? I'll assume you would, and post here the concerns. You remain, of course, free to ignore or hold your own opinions.

Judicial Interpretation or Constitutional Misadventure? A Rebuttal to the Supreme Court’s Framing of Parliamentary Intent
In its 2025 judgment redefining “sex” under the Equality Act as “biological sex,” the UK Supreme Court claimed to honour Parliament’s intent. It opened its reasoning by affirming that its role was to interpret what lawmakers meant — not what judges preferred. Yet the conclusion reached stands in marked contradiction to the public record of Parliament’s own declarations, committee exchanges, and drafting instructions.
This isn’t fidelity. It’s constitutional sleight of hand.

What Parliament Actually Said During the final drafting committee meeting of the Equality Act, the then Solicitor General, Vera Baird, stated unequivocally: - “She is a woman now for all purposes, not a transgender person, a woman.” “That is the point of the certificate... to make it clear beyond doubt and that is where all her rights come from.”

This exchange — recorded in Q75–Q77 and later formalised in a paper circulated to both Houses — confirms that a trans woman with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) is to be treated as a woman for all purposes. This was not a policy flourish. It was a legal instruction, embedded in the drafting brief and carried forward into the Equality Act’s architecture.

The full transcript is a matter of public record and can be read here:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt200809/jtselect/jtrights/169/9062405.htm

What the Supreme Court Chose Instead In its 88-page ruling, the Court acknowledged its duty to examine Parliament’s intention — then pivoted toward academic theory and scholarly articles on legislative drafting. It elevated external commentary above the actual words spoken in committee, and treated the Equality Act as if it were a philosophical text rather than a statute born of ministerial instruction.
This method doesn’t clarify the law. It recasts it.

Why This Undermines Sovereignty Parliament is sovereign not because judges agree with its politics, but because its instruction stands above reinterpretation. The Supreme Court’s ruling now rests on an inversion: it claims fidelity while contradicting the legislative record. It takes a phrase — “sex” — and redefines it despite Parliament’s own use of the term in the context of the GRC.

The result is that trans women with legal recognition — once treated as women “for all purposes” — are now excluded under a narrower judicial definition. That’s not clarification. That’s overreach.

The Public Record Is Clear The Equality Act was drafted to reflect existing law — not personal ideology.

Melanie Field, who led that drafting, implemented the government’s brief with professional fidelity. Her role was to embed the democratic will, not to bend it. The recent judgment’s departure from this record not only contradicts legislative instruction but risks reshaping statutory protections with judicial discretion.

EHRC’s Guidance and Retraction Following the Supreme Court’s ruling, the EHRC issued interim guidance interpreting the judgment in stark terms: trans women (even with a GRC) were to be treated as biological men for the purposes of single-sex spaces. After the Good Law Project initiated a judicial review, the EHRC quietly revised its position — including a formal abandonment of its claim that employers must provide single-sex toilets. The retraction occurred with no public explanation, leaving many institutions in uncertainty and risking further harm.

Legal Challenge by the Good Law Project Permission has now been granted for a half-day hearing in the High Court later this month, where the Good Law Project will challenge the legality of both the EHRC’s guidance and the procedural treatment of trans individuals in the broader legal context. Their case asserts a breach of obligations under the Human Rights Act and the European Convention on Human Rights.

Dr Victoria McCloud’s ECtHR Action - Dr McCloud, the UK’s first openly trans High Court judge, is seeking effective remedy through the European Court of Human Rights. Her claim centres on Article 6 — the right to a fair hearing — and highlights the Supreme Court’s refusal to hear evidence or testimony from trans individuals or organisations. She describes the outcome as leaving her “two sexes at once,” a legal contradiction that corrodes both dignity and clarity. Her challenge is not merely personal — it’s constitutional.

Conclusion The Supreme Court’s ruling may reflect an interpretation — but it does not reflect Parliament’s intent. To claim otherwise is to replace legislative sovereignty with judicial ideology. If constitutional interpretation is to remain faithful, it must begin and end with the record. On this matter, Parliament spoke clearly. And the archive still holds the truth.
 
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The Supreme Court decision time travelled back 3 months apparently.

That article is a result not of any court decision but of the FA allowing males into female football. This has triggered suspicion where before there was none. Previously you could guarantee that players were girls/women regardless of appearance so there was no need to challenge them.

It's also the result of the preposterous stereotyping on which trans activism relies, where girls with short hair who like football are earmarked as not being girls. No wonder this has seeped into public attitudes and undermined acceptance of kids who don't conform.


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It's a problem created by trans activists who aggressively insisted on stereotypes and male inclusion. Now you are trying to blame everybody else for a situation you engineered.
 

icowden

Shaman
Anyone following the Peggie Tribunal? By all accounts her legal representative is not just wiping the floor with NHS Fife but also re-tiling it and fitting a kitchen.

NC elicited from NHS Fife that if a fictional man called Peter walks in on a female colleague changing it would be considered sexual harassment and result in a suspension for Peter. If Peter then says that he is a woman (nothing else changed) would that make a difference - response "er no", what about if he says he is gender non-conforming? etc

Tribunal Tweets is live tweeting the tribunal although X doesn't seem to do chronological order any more.
https://x.com/tribunaltweets?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Substack is maybe a better route
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6
 
I've looked at it on and off, though it can be hard to follow. At least 2 of NHS Fife's own witnesses have called Dr Upton 'he' a few times each. Along with their equalities officer saying she doesn't know what sex she is - and yet she was certain Dr Upton was a woman - it all seems a bit chaotic.

I think it's also illustrating some interesting class issues in that everyone at Fife NHS was falling over themselves to accommodate the doctor but not interested in the feelings of the more working class nurses, to the extent of not even asking any of the others how they felt. Without even speaking to Peggie or other nurses, before any investigation had been made, Kate Searle, Dr Upton's boss, emailed 20 senior doctors to say 'We condemn the actions of Sandy'.
 

monkers

Squire
The Supreme Court decision time travelled back 3 months apparently.

That article is a result not of any court decision but of the FA allowing males into female football. This has triggered suspicion where before there was none. Previously you could guarantee that players were girls/women regardless of appearance so there was no need to challenge them.

It's also the result of the preposterous stereotyping on which trans activism relies, where girls with short hair who like football are earmarked as not being girls. No wonder this has seeped into public attitudes and undermined acceptance of kids who don't conform.


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It's a problem created by trans activists who aggressively insisted on stereotypes and male inclusion. Now you are trying to blame everybody else for a situation you engineered.

It's requires cognitive ability. To put that beyond doubt - ''culmination'' refers to an end point that does not erase the history of all that went before.

However as you are interested in legal time travel, you might need to consider the justification of using the Supreme Court reasoning of 2025 to the application of a legal case pertaining to 2023. In the justice system where I work, that is considered laughable when offered as an arguable point. On a similar point a year or so ago, one wag in my office memorably went to the window and searched for signs of Superman orbiting the Earth at hypersonic speeds causing the earth to rotate backwards.
 
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monkers

Squire
My colleague has heard again from the same woman as yesterday. It appears she intends to champion a new movement for human rights with a clear-sighted eye on the rights of women and girls. I'll say no more, but allow you to read on.

Statement on Systemic Legal Failures in UK Equality and Human Rights Law​

We, in considered dialogue, have identified a series of systemic legal failures that undermine the coherence, dignity, and human rights protections within UK law. These failures are not isolated—they are structural, and they demand urgent attention.

1. Fragmentation of Legal Sex

  • The UK now operates with conflicting definitions of sex across statutes.
  • A trans woman may be legally female for marriage, pensions, and birth certificates, yet treated as male under the Equality Act 2010.
  • This contradiction creates legal incoherence and violates the principle of legal certainty.

2. Failure to Uphold Intersectionality

  • The Equality Act was designed to be flexible and intersectional, allowing protected characteristics to operate contextually and holistically.
  • The Supreme Court’s insistence on definitional uniformity disregards this intent and flattens the complexity of lived experience.

3. Neglect of Human Rights Act Mechanisms

  • The Supreme Court did not issue a declaration of incompatibility under Section 4 of the Human Rights Act, despite clear tensions with Articles 3, 8, and 14 of the ECHR.
  • This omission denied Parliament the opportunity to formally address the human rights implications of the ruling.

4. Operational Consequences of Judicial Formalism

  • Public bodies, including the British Transport Police, have implemented policies that strip trans individuals of dignity, such as requiring intimate searches based on birth sex.
  • These policies reflect a literalist application of law that ignores its ethical and human rights foundations.

5. Political Embrace of Judicial Narrowness

  • Ministers have celebrated the ruling, framing it as a restoration of clarity.
  • This political response pre-empts reform and normalizes exclusion, undermining the UK’s legacy of rights-based leadership.

✅ Conclusion​

These failures are not merely technical—they are moral and constitutional. They erode the promise of equality, distort the meaning of legal recognition, and expose vulnerable individuals to indignity and exclusion.

We call for:
  • Legislative reform to reconcile definitions of sex across UK law
  • Judicial recognition of intersectionality and lived experience
  • Human rights accountability through formal declarations and review
  • Public policy grounded in dignity, not dogma.
 

monkers

Squire
Anyone following the Peggie Tribunal? By all accounts her legal representative is not just wiping the floor with NHS Fife but also re-tiling it and fitting a kitchen.

NC elicited from NHS Fife that if a fictional man called Peter walks in on a female colleague changing it would be considered sexual harassment and result in a suspension for Peter. If Peter then says that he is a woman (nothing else changed) would that make a difference - response "er no", what about if he says he is gender non-conforming? etc

Tribunal Tweets is live tweeting the tribunal although X doesn't seem to do chronological order any more.
https://x.com/tribunaltweets?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Substack is maybe a better route
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6

To be fair, what you are commenting upon is the incompetence of the lawyer. To be clear, Peter walking in on a colleague does not default to harassment.

I understand the confusion since the question arose from a false construction. nemo tenetur ad impossibile
 
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