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What is this "rented a room out" nonsense you keep going on about?
They booked an act, found out more about that act, decided it wasn't likely to suit their core audience and cancelled it.
No they didn't. They cancelled the whole thing because they didn't like one person's opinions - opinions which are legal to hold.
You could argue that the venue were unwise to book without demanding to know who the mystery comedian was but it's nothing like a booking for a gay wedding. Unless they are selling tickets for the wedding with the purpose of making a profit

So if a gay couple book a reception room, and the owner doesn't realise it's for a gay couple's wedding disco, they can cancel it when they do realise because they don't agree with gay marriage? The Linehan show would likely have sold out so suggesting it was an economic decision is nonsense. The club have stated it was an ideological decision.
 
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#NotACult
You can believe Jesus rose from the dead but nobody has to provide you with a venue in which to hold an evangelical service.
If you want to rent a function room to hold a religious meeting in, the owner can't discriminate and refuse a booking because you are a Christian group and he/she doesn't like Christians. This has been established in law a few times of late.

"You can believe men can be women but nobody has to provide you with a venue in which to hold your trans support meeting".

Nobody has to offer a venue for transgender people to hold meetings, but if they refused to rent out a venue because the group were transgender, that would quite rightly be discrimination.
 

Julia9054

Regular
No they didn't. They cancelled the whole thing because they didn't like one person's opinions - opinions which are legal to hold.


So if a gay couple book a reception room, and the owner doesn't realise it's for a gay couple's wedding disco, they can cancel it when they do realise because they don't agree with gay marriage? The Linehan show would likely have sold out so suggesting it was an economic decision is nonsense. The club have stated it was an ideological decision.

"The whole thing " is an act called Comedy Unleashed with several comedians on the bill.
If you don't understand the difference between a comedy act with several comedians booked by a venue who then sell tickets and either pay the act a fee or split the ticket profits and an individual/group who pay a venue for use of a room for their private event then I can't help you
 
The event seems to have been cancelled by the owners of the venue. Their sandpit and their say so as to who performs there.

If Linehan, or anyone else under the Comedy Unleashed umbrella thinks their legal rights have been infringed then they can take action to enforce those rights or to be compensated for any loss.
 
It's about whether you can discriminate against people with one set of legally held opinions whilst not discriminating against others.
You can do so provided that you do not base your discrimination on one or more of the protected characteristics.

Being GC is not protected. You may wish it to be but as things stand it isn't.
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
If you want to rent a function room to hold a religious meeting in, the owner can't discriminate and refuse a booking because you are a Christian group and he/she doesn't like Christians. This has been established in law a few times of late.

"You can believe men can be women but nobody has to provide you with a venue in which to hold your trans support meeting".

Nobody has to offer a venue for transgender people to hold meetings, but if they refused to rent out a venue because the group were transgender, that would quite rightly be discrimination.

Really going hard on this religion thing, huh?
 
The event seems to have been cancelled by the owners of the venue. Their sandpit and their say so as to who performs there.
That simply isn't the case when you are offering the public goods and services.

Blackpool BC was ordered to make a public apology and pay the claimant £25,000 in damages and a further £84,000 in costs in court for removing adverts for Franklin Graham's religious meetings from the sides of their buses.

Scottish charity the Robertson Trust, which had cancelled bookings by the Billy Graham Evangelical Association for hire of a conference venue, admitted this was unlawful, apologised and settled for £20,000.

Julie Bindel sued Nottingham City Council when a room in a library booked by a women's group was cancelled because she was appearing. Nottingham CC later accepted that this decision was unlawful and apologised and the case was settled for an undisclosed sum.


If Linehan, or anyone else under the Comedy Unleashed umbrella thinks their legal rights have been infringed then they can take action to enforce those rights or to be compensated for any loss.
Is this how you want the law to work? It only protects those with deep enough pockets to sue?

Being GC is not protected. You may wish it to be but as things stand it isn't.

It's protected as a belief just like 'Transwomen are women' is protected. I don't agree transwomen are women but I don't think you should be discriminated against if you want to rent a room and stand around saying it.

Really going hard on this religion thing, huh?

I believe in freedom of belief, yes, whether those are religious, philosophical, or metaphysical. And that people should be free to express beliefs that are legal, within the law. Sounds like you don't to be honest, or rather it should only apply to people you like.

However while the belief itself is protected manifestations that might be offensive are not.

In discrimination law it's not up to the individual to decide beforehand which beliefs are offensive though and of course you can't deny goods or services on the basis of what someone might say.
 
Looks like they have found another venue anyway.


View: https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691788042896388420
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
I believe in freedom of belief, yes, whether those are religious, philosophical, or metaphysical. And that people should be free to express beliefs that are legal, within the law. Sounds like you don't to be honest, or rather it should only apply to people you like.
I believe the management of the venue have the right to decline a booking.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
I believe the management of the venue have the right to decline a booking.

Do you mean any booking, or this one? Do they have a legal right under certain circumstances or any circumstances? Have they declined a booking or cancelled an agreed booking? Is there a bloody lawyer in the house?

Like just about every one in this thread, this particular argument is just going round in circles.

AS, your serve, new balls.
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Do you mean any booking, or this one? Do they have a legal right under certain circumstances or any circumstances? Have they declined a booking or cancelled an agreed booking? Is there a bloody lawyer in the house?

Like just about every one in this thread, this particular argument is just going round in circles.

AS, your serve, new balls.

Legally I've no idea and as pointed out upthread they've dug themselves a bit of a hole:

Promoter: We're doing an anti woke edgy comedy night.

Venue: Sure, we don't mind some tricky subject matter, we'll book you in.

P: We've got a mystery guest.

V: Fine, no problem with that.

P: It's Graham Linehan

V: LOL get f*cked
 
I believe the management of the venue have the right to decline a booking.

How do you feel about those signs you used to get in pubs that said 'No Travellers'?

What about the taxi driver who declines a booking from Jews? Does he 'have the right to decline a booking'?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uber-driver-jews-london-ban-a8859591.html

People can say trans women are women (or the alternative) with abandon. AIUI they can't be denied services (with few exceptions) because of the beliefs they hold.

Isn't this exactly how it should be though? The bar for what is offensive enough to decline goods and services in law should be pretty high. It can't simply be at the whim of whatever an individual service provider feels at the time.
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
How do you feel about those signs you used to get in pubs that said 'No Travellers'?

What about the taxi driver who declines a booking from Jews? Does he 'have the right to decline a booking'?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uber-driver-jews-london-ban-a8859591.html

When I brought up the Holocaust it was to highlight the absurdity of your position. Graham Linehan is an awful, awful man and I have no problem with anyone telling him to absolutely go f*ck himself. That's not because of his 'beliefs', it's because he's a reprehensible piece of sh*t sorry excuse for a human being. What are you not understanding about this?

This is not the same thing as religious or racial discrimination and if you think it is then you have been indoctrinated into a cult.
 
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