Gender again. Sorry!

[Poacher]

No. I've seen drag acts. The quality of the show isn't the issue. The fact that Paul Robeson was a fine singer doesn't mitigate the fact that he performed in blackface.

Penn State university, home of the Lia Thomas swimming debacle, has announced it will restore to female athletes all titles, records, recognitions, that were misappropriated by male athletes who were allowed in the female category. It will send a letter of apology to female athletes who were affected.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/upen...cting-womens-sports-education-department-says

The Paul Robeson who was actually black? That Paul Robeson?
Did you get this humdinger from the same source that told you Robert Millar / Pippa York was 6' 2"?

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1940187628021694922?t=el5YfsWfcxatI1NQMn9rVw&s=19


This is fantastic news

Now we need the IOC to claw back the boxing medals

 

[mickle]

 

[AndyRM]

Drag falls under the trans umbrella apparently.

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That's a pretty broad umbrella, and personally I wouldn't include drag under it, neither would the three drag acts I know. I also think it's unhelpful to lump everything under an umbrella like that in general, but I guess that's mostly because I'm not a fan of compartmentalising everything.

 

[AndyRM]

The Paul Robeson who was actually black? That Paul Robeson?
Did you get this humdinger from the same source that told you Robert Millar / Pippa York was 6' 2"?

Nah, must be a different one.

 

[Ian H]

The Paul Robeson who was actually black? That Paul Robeson?
Did you get this humdinger from the same source that told you Robert Millar / Pippa York was 6' 2"?

Considering Robeson's fame as a human rights and anti-racist activist and campaigner, that's quite astonishing.

 

[icowden]

Considering Robeson's fame as a human rights and anti-racist activist and campaigner, that's quite astonishing.

My guess is that Aurora's AI has picked up on him recording "The Minstrel Boy" (which is a folk song and nothing to do with black and white minstrel show)

 

[AuroraSaab]

The Paul Robeson who was actually black? That Paul Robeson?
Did you get this humdinger from the same source that told you Robert Millar / Pippa York was 6' 2"?

Lol. You're correct. I meant Al Jolson. That's what you get for losing an hour reading about lots of old movies I guess.

Any thoughts on why the demeaning reduction of black people to exaggerated features in blackface by Al Jolson is now unacceptable but the same isn't applied to drag?

 

[AuroraSaab]

This is fantastic news

Now we need the IOC to claw back the boxing medals

I don't think this will happen. Firstly because it was a knock out competition so there's no certainty about who would have won. Secondly, the IOC mostly haven't rectified cheating/doping in the past when given an opportunity.

 

[CXRAndy]

Why can't they just bump up silver and the two bronze finalists?

I know it's not perfect, Kalief probably eliminated potential women finalists.

But it would set the record straight as best as possible after the fact.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I think it would be problematic for them because it would open the door for lots of complaints. All 3 medal winners in the 2016 Women's 800m have been alleged to be dsd athletes for example. It would also be an admission of complete failure by the IOC and they've never been very good at admitting those. They haven't dished out medals to those who lost out 30 years ago to eastern bloc athletes who were being doped so I can't see them doing anything. They'll just say 'It was the rules at the time'.

I agree they should do something but they won't. The IOC is just another big gravy train. No wonder Thomas Bach tried to engineer it so he could stay on after his time was up.

 

[icowden]

Any thoughts on why the demeaning reduction of black people to exaggerated features in blackface by Al Jolson is now unacceptable but the same isn't applied to drag?

Because Drag isn't blackface?

Women are not proscribed from appearing on screen nor prevented from performing.

I think you also vastly misunderstand Al Jolson. Noble Sissie in the 1930s said of Jolson - "he was the champion of the Negro songwriter and performer and was first to put Negroes in his shows". He wasn't making fun of people, he was trying to bring black music out of segregation and into the mainstream.

What Jolson was doing was completely different from the BBCs Black and White Minstrel show - which was complained about almost from the beginning because we didn't have America's segregation.

 

[icowden]

Why can't they just bump up silver and the two bronze finalists?
I know it's not perfect, Kalief probably eliminated potential women finalists.
But it would set the record straight as best as possible after the fact.

Not really because there is no fact. Kaelif has never been proven to not be female. If she chooses to box again and complete the genetic test, then there might be grounds, but as it is, it is unclear what her situation is.

 

[CXRAndy]

The test results have been released recently. He's been confirmed to to have Y chromosome

 

[Bromptonaut]

The fact that Paul Robeson was a fine singer doesn't mitigate the fact that he performed in blackface.

Robeson was a black man. What makes you think he performed in black face?

EDIT: See I was beaten to it.