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Haven't seen any other ideas from yourself or others without marching kids off to the dispensary then the operating table- full steam ahead

Where I agree with psychiatric care to get them through their teenage years, the vast majority will come through it.

Back street -modern description private practice on foreign lands
 

monkers

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Haven't seen any other ideas from yourself or others without marching kids off to the dispensary then the operating table- full steam ahead

Where I agree with psychiatric care to get them through their teenage years, the vast majority will come through it.

Back street -modern description private practice on foreign lands

I don't have to come up with ideas. I can point out your extremist lies though as they are harmful. There is no evidence of what you claim being true, but I sense it will never stop you, because that is the kind of person you are.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
Back street -modern description private practice on foreign lands

Wise up fool.

CNN’s Nima Elbagir gained exclusive access to a mother and daughter in Nairobi Kenya who are backstreet “cutters” – secret practitioners of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM).

Speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, Hawa and Fatima (not their real names) explained how they carry out their grisly – and now illegal in Kenya – trade using a razor blade and a bottle of alcohol.

The girls are blindfolded and held down on a plastic sheet by as many as five women. Girls as young as eight are brought to be mutilated, in the name of female circumcision. The women say their neighbours all know that they are FGM practitioners, and insist that female circumcision is a cultural norm in their community.

It isn’t only local girls who find themselves at the mercy of the pair’s razor blades – British girls with family ties to Kenya are also brought here during the school holidays. Fatima told CNN that she and her mother see themselves as the enforcers of a moral code, on behalf of the whole community.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
What is extremist about supporting psychiatric care?

Nothing for people with a psychiatric illness.

Now if you return to post #12 375 you'll see that I had not said that supporting psychiatric care was extremist.

This is just you telling outrageous lies AGAIN. You can't manage to stop yourself - it's a psychiatric illness - seek help.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
Which is most if not all of the children exhibiting body dysphoria.

You never seem to know what you are talking about. You claim to be seriously concerned, but then you write drivel, or repeat ultra right wing conspiracy bullshit. When you are caught out you claim you are just having a laugh. A joke of a man.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Hell mend me I don't know why I'm still bothering with you @CXRAndy but you really don't know anything about psychiatry, do you?
 

icowden

Squire
You never seem to know what you are talking about. You claim to be seriously concerned, but then you write drivel, or repeat ultra right wing conspiracy bullshit. When you are caught out you claim you are just having a laugh. A joke of a man.

Why is suggesting that children exhibiting body dysmorphia such that they believe themselves to be a different gender an ultra right wing conspiracy theory? I would have thought that most people would think this a perfectly reasonably and rational conclusion to draw.

I have previously seen parallels drawn with homosexuality, but the issue is that they are not parallel. Yes, being gay used to be illegal etc, however being gay requires no medication, no surgery, no treatment of any kind and I would suspect that the illegality and forced conversion was an instrument of religion, not science.

On the flip side we have the claim that people are born trans, and that it may be something innate. Again, I don't find that unreasonable. However, if that innate sense is such that it requires the body to be surgically altered and medically treated, usually we would describe that as a mental illness. This is a person that is so unhappy with their sense of self and the person that they are, that they would rather undergo irreversible surgical alteration and take powerful medications. To me, this doesn't seem like a positive route to take. It would be interesting to actually see what the outcomes are. We do see cases of regret but I'm not sure of the balance between people who have fully transitioned happily and those who wish they hadn't.

As Rowling et al, frequently state, very few people take issue with someone wanting to live the life that they want to live in the way that they want to live it, but that doesn't mean that you can have your cake and eat it too, if it is also going to affect other people. It also doesn't stop those with nefarious intent from taking advantage if safeguards are removed.

There is a balance to be found and threatening to silence, kill and rape biological women is not the way forward, and neither is it to attack the genuine trans community.
 
Why is suggesting that children exhibiting body dysmorphia such that they believe themselves to be a different gender an ultra right wing conspiracy theory? I would have thought that most people would think this a perfectly reasonably and rational conclusion to draw.

I have previously seen parallels drawn with homosexuality, but the issue is that they are not parallel. Yes, being gay used to be illegal etc, however being gay requires no medication, no surgery, no treatment of any kind and I would suspect that the illegality and forced conversion was an instrument of religion, not science.

On the flip side we have the claim that people are born trans, and that it may be something innate. Again, I don't find that unreasonable. However, if that innate sense is such that it requires the body to be surgically altered and medically treated, usually we would describe that as a mental illness. This is a person that is so unhappy with their sense of self and the person that they are, that they would rather undergo irreversible surgical alteration and take powerful medications. To me, this doesn't seem like a positive route to take. It would be interesting to actually see what the outcomes are. We do see cases of regret but I'm not sure of the balance between people who have fully transitioned happily and those who wish they hadn't.

As Rowling et al, frequently state, very few people take issue with someone wanting to live the life that they want to live in the way that they want to live it, but that doesn't mean that you can have your cake and eat it too, if it is also going to affect other people. It also doesn't stop those with nefarious intent from taking advantage if safeguards are removed.

There is a balance to be found and threatening to silence, kill and rape biological women is not the way forward, and neither is it to attack the genuine trans community.

We've spelled out the facts to you on this thread until we're blue in the face. One of us has a trans niece. Others, myself included, have met people personally or professionally who have transitioned or are in the process of doing so.

Why continue to spout the same contra-factual sh*t?
 

monkers

Legendary Member
Why is suggesting that children exhibiting body dysmorphia such that they believe themselves to be a different gender an ultra right wing conspiracy theory? I would have thought that most people would think this a perfectly reasonably and rational conclusion to draw.

I have previously seen parallels drawn with homosexuality, but the issue is that they are not parallel. Yes, being gay used to be illegal etc, however being gay requires no medication, no surgery, no treatment of any kind and I would suspect that the illegality and forced conversion was an instrument of religion, not science.

On the flip side we have the claim that people are born trans, and that it may be something innate. Again, I don't find that unreasonable. However, if that innate sense is such that it requires the body to be surgically altered and medically treated, usually we would describe that as a mental illness. This is a person that is so unhappy with their sense of self and the person that they are, that they would rather undergo irreversible surgical alteration and take powerful medications. To me, this doesn't seem like a positive route to take. It would be interesting to actually see what the outcomes are. We do see cases of regret but I'm not sure of the balance between people who have fully transitioned happily and those who wish they hadn't.

As Rowling et al, frequently state, very few people take issue with someone wanting to live the life that they want to live in the way that they want to live it, but that doesn't mean that you can have your cake and eat it too, if it is also going to affect other people. It also doesn't stop those with nefarious intent from taking advantage if safeguards are removed.

There is a balance to be found and threatening to silence, kill and rape biological women is not the way forward, and neither is it to attack the genuine trans community.

Blah, blah, blah.

After reading the fallacy of the first sentence, I'll not bother reading the rest of it.
 
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