Gulf War No.37: Iranistan

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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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Another view on the 'escalation trap', as framed by Robert Pape

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ar-escalate-vietnam-trump-netanyahu-us-israel

“The are several stages to the escalation trap,” said Robert Pape, a US historian who has studied the limitation of air power and has advised a number of US administrations.

“What we saw with the initial attack was tactically almost 100% success,” he said. “The problem is that when that doesn’t lead to strategic success … you get to second stage of the trap.

“The attacker still has escalation dominance, so there is a doubling down, which then moves up the escalation ladder and that still does not lead to strategic success. Then you reach stage three, which is the real crisis, where you are contemplating far riskier options. I would say we are stage two, and on on the cusp of stage three.”

He said the Trump administration had become mesmerised by the initial attack and had an “illusion of control” based on the accuracy of its weapons. All of this has pushed Tehran towards its own model of escalation, one with a far wider global economic and political impact, Pape and other critics say."
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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WSJ. Everything's fine. Just don't mention dead people.

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Pblakeney

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Another view on the 'escalation trap', as framed by Robert Pape

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ar-escalate-vietnam-trump-netanyahu-us-israel

“The are several stages to the escalation trap,” said Robert Pape, a US historian who has studied the limitation of air power and has advised a number of US administrations.

“What we saw with the initial attack was tactically almost 100% success,” he said. “The problem is that when that doesn’t lead to strategic success … you get to second stage of the trap.

“The attacker still has escalation dominance, so there is a doubling down, which then moves up the escalation ladder and that still does not lead to strategic success. Then you reach stage three, which is the real crisis, where you are contemplating far riskier options. I would say we are stage two, and on on the cusp of stage three.”

He said the Trump administration had become mesmerised by the initial attack and had an “illusion of control” based on the accuracy of its weapons. All of this has pushed Tehran towards its own model of escalation, one with a far wider global economic and political impact, Pape and other critics say."

A different take on where over escalation takes you (economy, not war strategy), the fall of your empire.
A bit hyperbolic but considering it was posted pre-Iran, relevant.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb39CeK_yWg
 

Psamathe

Guru
Is it only me who thinks this flag was planted after the attack. Strikes me as being bleeding obvious.

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House completely destroyed, just a pile of rubble only thing surviving untouched is the flag. A rather daft unconvincing attempt to incriminate/justify. Disappointing that supporters of Israeli attacks need to use such poor transparent fraud to justify what is happening.
 

CXRAndy

Epic Member
Because you and whoever are not military strategists.

Missiles and drone launches have fallen by over 90% in just over two weeks. The stockpile of parts, production sites, launchers have all been either destroyed completely or taken out of commission. The boats, ships, submarines have almost been wiped out- their supply lines to build new fast boats have been destroyed.

Its not that iran doesn't want to fire weapons, it is they haven't got many to use, either by lacking launchers or spares .

Those three ships hit last week were chancing their arm, hoping for a financial bumper payout due to spiked oil prices.

The US is nearly ready to enter the straits with their navy to escort shipping once everything thing is in place.

Backing this strategy is the threat to cut irans export throat if they do attack. That would be financial disaster as 90% of their exports go through that small island. It can fill upto 10 oil tankers a day (usually 6).
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

Timewaster
I guess that Trump really has got a grudge against Zelenskyy, and has got the hots for Putin.

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TailWindHome

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The US is nearly ready to enter the straits with their navy to escort shipping once everything thing is in place.
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CXRAndy

Epic Member
How much damage does everyone think Iran has done in its attacks? There are clearly restrictions on reporting so it is hard to find out the reality.

Very little, remember when they launched hundreds of missiles at Israel during the Gaza conflict 2024. Israel intercepted 99% of those missiles.

I've not seen anything to say the Israeli iron dome hasn't done any worse.

Only a few missiles arw being fired per day from Iran . Irans war machine has been neutralised to a level of a guerrilla outfit not a large country that had stockpiled thousands of missiles and drones
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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The whole world really should just respond with an "Okay. We offered, it's all yours now".

The thing is that he's never really suffered any consequences for all his crimes & misdemeanours in any meaningful sense, so he's expecting to get off scot free from this one too, even if it precipitates world war and economic catastrophe. He wouldn't care, as he's stashed away billions now, and doesn't care if others die because of him.
 
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