Milzy
Senior Member
Greed. But if they actually do run out of diesel then it will prove it is the war. We will all be screwed then. I.e fresh food. Maybe we can buy chicken eggs & milk from local farms and just live on that.
Gulf War No.37: Iranistan
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Greed. But if they actually do run out of diesel then it will prove it is the war. We will all be screwed then. I.e fresh food. Maybe we can buy chicken eggs & milk from local farms and just live on that.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
Another old hit he's returning to. Just between you and me, could he possibly be insane?
Ian H
Pharaoh
No worse than SB's uncle, who was worried about thieves, and said he was secreting his valuables behind the skirting boards. After he died they levered off the skirting boards and found a few playing cards, bus tickets, Tesco receipts and stuff. There was also something about bolts replacing the fuses in the consumer unit.
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C R
Squire
Burnham allowing himself to be drawn into Ntanyahu's war
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...di-jets-in-attempt-to-counter-houthi-fighters
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...di-jets-in-attempt-to-counter-houthi-fighters
First Aspect
Squire
Not sure that's a particularly good summary tbh. It is largely symbolic and minimal, but demonstrates support to an ally (regardless of what you think of the Saudi leadership, they are a strong regional ally) and it is distinct from the US, which has said not our problem.
I also think the UK will find alignment with much of the rest of the world that needs that waterway to remain open.
Psamathe
Squire
Personally I can't assess the degree of us becoming entangled due to this.
But I can see why Burnham is doing it. Being widely reported that Saudi asked Trümp for help defending itself against the Houthis attacks and Trümp refused/didn't. So maybe Burnham is trying to get there with "look, we'll help you even if the US won't". My supposition and I can't form a view as to whether or not it would work.
One complication I do see is that intercepting a missile destined for your capital is fairly obviously "defensive". But in-flight refuelling fighter aircraft gets harder as you don't know what those fighters might go on to do and are such fighters really "defensive"?
Dorset Boy
Über Member
The world can't afford both Hormuz and the Red Sea to be closed.
The Saudis are willing to try to stop the Houti's, but have asked for some help.
So it makes sense to help them, rather than allow the houtis make matters even worse for us all.
The Saudis are willing to try to stop the Houti's, but have asked for some help.
So it makes sense to help them, rather than allow the houtis make matters even worse for us all.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
There's a gulf (sorry) between the world as we might like it to be (with simple answers) and the world as it is (with almost impossible compromises). The continuing reliance on oil is one of them, but we should be thankful that restrictions and prices are encouraging alternatives (wind, solar, for istance) and reduced usage.
Dorset Boy
Über Member
Unless you can come up with an alternative for plastic, then we will be reliant on oil until there is no more on the planet.
Psamathe
Squire
From UK News reports Houthis are only closing the Gulf for Saudi shipping. Plus, smaller tankers can head north. Maybe it will affect China/Asia more than us?
Not suggesting we are exempt but wondering how the impacts might affect different areas.
Psamathe
Squire
Although might "encourage" some manufacturers (eg Nestle) to stop using unnecessary plastic packaging and switch to less damaging packaging.
LCpl Boiled Egg
Active Member
They've moved to plastic wrappers for KitKats, from recyclable paper and foil, so I won't hold my breath.
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briantrumpet
Timewaster
That would be nice, though worth noting that sometimes (still) plastic is less environmentally damaging: e.g. paper bags are so bulky in comparison that they use a lot more fuel to produce and transport. "Less damaging" is a very complicated calculation.
It would be good if they just used less packaging in all instances. (I won't buy Easter eggs, for example - a lump of chocolate gives you more chocolate for less packaging and money.)
https://stanfordmag.org/contents/paper-plastic-or-reusable
Psamathe
Squire
Also in the UK for their cappuccino coffee sachets moved from paper based to plastic whereas in France they sell it in card pots (no sachets, presumably because people use more as each sachet is actually enough for 2 x mugs whereas some will just use an entire sachet). Profit over environment & sustainability.
