bobzmyunkle
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What about the left/right in @Stevo 666's brain?
How wealthy?
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monkers
Shaman
What you mean is that the reply was too difficult for you to understand.
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First Aspect
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Firstly, we must locate the brain.
monkers
Shaman
That's below the belt!
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briantrumpet
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It might have been offshored somewhere.
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briantrumpet
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Genuinely find the desperate need to label people with left/right weird, rather than discuss the issues. I suppose it's a kind of ad hominem weapon, as you can then disregard all actual arguments with the 'trump card' of 'leftie'.
As we've also discussed ad infinitum over on CS, many of the people lazily being labelled 'lefty' voted for Thatcher (you know, the one who was partially responsible for the Single Market, admittedly along with all the other baggage), are in professional positions earning decent salaries, and are far from jealous. Maybe some people have forgotten that it was the Tories who were in favour of the EEC when Labour were opposed. How times have changed: listen to Michael foot invoking 'sovereignty' repeatedly here.
As we've also discussed ad infinitum over on CS, many of the people lazily being labelled 'lefty' voted for Thatcher (you know, the one who was partially responsible for the Single Market, admittedly along with all the other baggage), are in professional positions earning decent salaries, and are far from jealous. Maybe some people have forgotten that it was the Tories who were in favour of the EEC when Labour were opposed. How times have changed: listen to Michael foot invoking 'sovereignty' repeatedly here.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
The rise of individualism and identity politics has muddied the waters. What were fairly straightforward left of centre views 50 years ago, eg on pornography and prostitution, are now considered less than progressive. In this way the sense of unity of those at the bottom of the economic pile especially is diluted, and it becomes every man for himself with parties scrapping for the votes of a myriad of different communities.
Of course this focus on identity politics comes back to bite you on the ass when eventually those communities that you took for granted don't behave as you want them to, eg Kamala Harris couldn't secure enough of either the black vote nor women's votes.
monkers
Shaman
Essentially those people from the right see money as sovereign just because it has a royal face on it. They are happy to created mountains of debt, call it sovereign debt, then expect everyone but themselves to pay it off. It's their mistake as the people are sovereign. Money can't wield a pencil at the ballot box, and yet this problem persists. Thatcher unleashed something unstoppable - unstoppable until entire system collapse that is. With sovereign debt levels the way they are, system collapse is imminent, but right wing types are already sniggering at the prospect. They think we are the fools.
Stevo 666
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Stevo 666
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Firstly, we must locate the brain.
High five for that spot of dry humour. Or is that high six now that you live in the West Country?
BoldonLad
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BoldonLad
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Stevo 666
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That reminds me, I've got a set of 'Top Trumps' cards somewhere in the attic - takes on a whole new meaning these days 🙂
monkers
Shaman
You shouldn't be surprised because fascism is creeping into British society. I have CXRAndy on ignore. But let's say, and just for an example, I release his latest posts for scrutiny and apply my legally trained brain - you want to see what happens? I can practically guarantee fascism included. Here goes ...
This is an example of ''temporal compression''. Therefore the headline claim is false.
While I haven't fact checked every case, there is no doubt that some are true. However, the dates between arrest, charging, and conviction show temporal compression. In one case, the sentence was 14 months, and the perpetrator was released since he has spent that amount of time on remand.
Therefore the time frame is not 12 days, and probably more like 24 months.
The next signs are cohort fallacy. Asylum seekers and migrants are mixed here - these are different cohorts. Neither is it clear that all are ''channel migrants''.
Next sign - ''arrested''. Being arrested of a crime is not proof of guilt, neither is being charged. The only relevant status is ''convicted''.
Next sign is numerical misinterpretation. Migrant populations invariably add to population numbers. If the population growth comes from native population growth, then crimes stats grow proportionately.
The claim therefore is false, intends stigmatisation, and intends panic. These are features of fascism.
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Psamathe
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On TV last night (C4 News or Newsnight - can't remember) they showed the results of a poll about public perception re proportion of illegal vs legal migrants into UK and nearly 50% (below but not far below) thought the number of illegal migrants was around the same as legal migrants. Beggars belief how readily so many will just blindly believe rubbish ... and they reject/ignore evidence to the contrary. But as you also reference we have our own example on this forum (I assume it's still enbedding Twitter twaddle from unknowns all over this forum, I also have on ignore so happily don't see iy).
Ian
